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Is it blasphemous to include North Berwick?
Although I love both courses Bedford Springs and Ballyhack need dishonorable mention here.Is it blasphemous to include North Berwick?
WTF? I took you as a man with soul.Ciao
Quote from: MCirba on March 23, 2023, 06:22:56 PMAlthough I love both courses Bedford Springs and Ballyhack need dishonorable mention here.Is it blasphemous to include North Berwick?Quote from: Sean_A on March 24, 2023, 03:16:37 AMWTF? I took you as a man with soul.CiaoOuch.I love North Berwick but it came to mind as I mentioned both Bedford Springs and Ballyhack, holes where the really only prudent drive is to start the day with a layup, followed by a blind uphill approach with lots of danger all around. Not wanting to be hypocritical, I recalled that our friend North Berwick featured a similar style hole, which is why I asked (mostly myself, rhetorically) if it was blasphemy to include NB. I think it falls a bit into the category of someone who asked what if Cypress Point started with the 16th hole. I'd love any of the holes mentioned here as a one-off somewhere deeper in the round but as a starter a forced layup is less than ideal, in my opinion. Just trying to be intellectually honest and consistent, I guess.
Anthony, You must've played with Matt Kerens. He's since become our head Super. Unfortunately, no "original" AWT plans exist or existed. We had both George Bahto and Phil Young do all the research possible before the restoration. The road was indeed there back in the day. It was originally a dirt road that served primarily as a horse & buggy supply road. Over the years, its turned into a major north-south automobile artery and the part that dissects 7 holes from the other 11 is a high speed arc.
Ira,There are actually 2 "Hidden Valley"'s in PA. I've played half of them. Seriously, suspect you played the one in Western PA? I played the one in Eastern PA.
Ira,p.s. I feel that my mention of North Berwick on this thread might deserve a "Game of Thrones" Circe-like walk of shame through the virtual mean streets of GCAville.
At the very least its gotta be a party-foul. What's not to like?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYu_lEERUIU
I will get jumped, but I don't like the first hole at Oakmont. It is more than a slap in the face; it is a kick in the gut.
Quote from: Tommy Williamsen on March 25, 2023, 01:01:17 PMI will get jumped, but I don't like the first hole at Oakmont. It is more than a slap in the face; it is a kick in the gut.Tom-When did difficulty become the barometer of what makes a quality golf hole? I have to respectfully disagree.