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Philip Caccamise

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Is anyone aware of a complete list of "template" courses in North America? Working on a personal checklist/science project.


If not, should we start one?
*Working List*
CT - Fairfield
CT - Hotchkiss
CT - Keney Park
CT - Tamarack
CT - Yale
FL - Everglades?
FL - Golden Ocala
FL - Mountain Lake
GA - Bears Best (Replica)
HI - Wailae
IL - Chicago
IL - Shoreacres
LA - Metairie
MA - Dedham Polo Club
MD - Elkridge
MD - Renditions
MN - Midland Hills
MN - Somerset
MO - St. Louis
NJ - Architects
NJ - Essex County
NJ - Forsgate (Banks)
NJ - Francis Byrne
NJ - Rock Spring Club
NJ - Hackensack CC
NJ - Knoll (West)
NJ - Montclair
NJ - Morris County
NJ - Watchung Valley?
NV - Bears Best (Replica)
NV - Royal Links (Replica - NLE)
NY - Blind Brook
NY - Creek Club
NY - Fisher's Island
NY - Knollwood
NY - National Golf Links
NY - North Shore?
NY - Piping Rock
NY - Sleepy Hollow
NY - Southampton
NY - St. Georges?
NY - Stonebridge
NY - Sunningdale?
NY - Westhampton
NY - Whippoorwhirl
OH - Camargo
ON - Wooden Sticks
OR - Old Macdonald
PA - Fox Chapel
RI - Wanumetonomy G & CC
SC - CC of Charleston
SC - Charleston Muni
SC - World 18 (Replica)
SC - Yeamans Hall
SC - Yeamans Hall
TN - Black Creek
TN - Lookout Mountain
TX - Tour 18 Houston (Replica)
TX - Tour 18 Dallas (Replica)
TX - Tribute (Replica)
WI - Blue Mound
WV - Greenbrier Old White
BER - Mid Ocean
« Last Edit: June 04, 2022, 08:31:19 PM by Philip Caccamise »

Peter Flory

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2022, 09:47:26 PM »
How would you define a template course? 

Philip Caccamise

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2022, 09:51:50 PM »
How would you define a template course?


Great question, and the answer is I don't know. I suppose 9+ holes of templates would be a place to start? The list of 18 templates is pretty short (about to grow by one though, hoping to make the GW trip for it  :D )

Cal Seifert

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2022, 10:03:12 PM »
One that is almost never mentioned on here is Stonebridge on Long Island. Designed by George Bahto, who many here were very close with. I've never been but it looks interesting on Google Earth. Though it seems to be on an extremely tight property and has houses lining its interior.

Philip Caccamise

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2022, 10:16:10 PM »
One that is almost never mentioned on here is Stonebridge on Long Island. Designed by George Bahto, who many here were very close with. I've never been but it looks interesting on Google Earth. Though it seems to be on an extremely tight property and has houses lining its interior.


Wow, good one. Never heard of it despite playing a lot of golf in that area. Looks cool- public and $39 bucks to boot!

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2022, 07:01:46 PM »
"Some of us worship in churches, some in synagogues, some on golf courses ... "  Adlai Stevenson
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David_Tepper

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2022, 07:38:05 PM »
Would Tour18 be considered a template course? :)

https://www.tour18golf.com/

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2022, 08:08:55 PM »
One that gets almost no press outside of Maryland is Renditions GC in Anne Arundel County, MD
Iíve played it and it shows how difficult it is to transport one hole from one are to another.


https://www.renditionsgolf.com/golf-course/
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
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Philip Caccamise

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2022, 10:04:31 PM »
One that gets almost no press outside of Maryland is Renditions GC in Anne Arundel County, MD
Iíve played it and it shows how difficult it is to transport one hole from one are to another.


https://www.renditionsgolf.com/golf-course/
Never heard of it! Added to the list.


Would Tour18 be considered a template course? :)

https://www.tour18golf.com/


I'd say yes? At the end of the day, isn't a "template" course really a "tribute" course?
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Forsgate CC- Banks Course:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8tNlMdTKzw



Love that course.
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2022, 10:36:20 AM »
One that gets almost no press outside of Maryland is Renditions GC in Anne Arundel County, MD
Iíve played it and it shows how difficult it is to transport one hole from one are to another.


https://www.renditionsgolf.com/golf-course/
Never heard of it! Added to the list.


Would Tour18 be considered a template course? :)

https://www.tour18golf.com/


I'd say yes? At the end of the day, isn't a "template" course really a "tribute" course?
(Why is one loved and one hated in GCA?  ??? [size=78%])[/size]


Forsgate CC- Banks Course:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8tNlMdTKzw



Love that course.


Itís funny about how a course is accepted. I have played most of the original holes that Renditions has copied. I donít think they resemble them very much but guys that have not played the originals come off the course thrilled to have had a chance to play ďrenditionsĒ of famous holes. These courses do provide a service.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

"Deep within your soul-space is a magnificent cathedral where you are sweet beyond telling." Rumi

Philip Caccamise

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2022, 05:43:52 PM »
One that gets almost no press outside of Maryland is Renditions GC in Anne Arundel County, MD
Iíve played it and it shows how difficult it is to transport one hole from one are to another.


https://www.renditionsgolf.com/golf-course/
Never heard of it! Added to the list.


Would Tour18 be considered a template course? :)

https://www.tour18golf.com/


I'd say yes? At the end of the day, isn't a "template" course really a "tribute" course?
(Why is one loved and one hated in GCA?  ??? [size=78%])[/size]


Forsgate CC- Banks Course:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8tNlMdTKzw



Love that course.


Itís funny about how a course is accepted. I have played most of the original holes that Renditions has copied. I donít think they resemble them very much but guys that have not played the originals come off the course thrilled to have had a chance to play ďrenditionsĒ of famous holes. These courses do provide a service.


I agree- perhaps it's because the replicas are often not all that great with those types of courses. The only two I've played of that type are World 18 in Myrtle Beach and (now NLE) Royal Links... Both were fun but I can't say the holes are all that accurate.


On the flip side, I couldn't be more excited for Lido- which is really the ultimate tribute course, no?

SL_Solow

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2022, 06:55:33 PM »
Which templates?  Only MacRaynor?

Wayne_Kozun

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2022, 10:01:02 PM »
Wooden Sticks Golf Course in Uxbridge, ON, a bit north of Toronto.

Philip Caccamise

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2022, 10:58:20 PM »
Which templates?  Only MacRaynor?


Any that apply, example Black Creek in TN is a Brian Silva but clearly a "template" golf course.

SL_Solow

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2022, 10:45:44 AM »
I was referring to the use of MacRaynor templates.  Many architects have their own "templates" or holes which they repeat from course to course.  the somewhat unique aspect of MacRaynor is the unabashed attempt to replicate the strategy of classic holes created by other architects, known or unknown.  Accordingly, I am trying to understand the scope of the question.

Pete_Pittock

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #15 on: May 27, 2022, 01:10:10 PM »
Old Macdonald in Bandon,OR

Jim Sherma

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2022, 01:32:15 PM »
Certainly would not include Architect's in New jersey. Built "in the style of..." rather than specific copies of or template holes. It's good but falls out of the descriptions being discussed here.

Tim Martin

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2022, 02:33:56 PM »
Blue Mound G & CC
Chicago GC
Dedham Polo Club
Yale GC
Tamarack CC
Essex County CC
Francis A Byrne GC
Fox Chapel GC
Mid Ocean Club
Morris County Club
St. Louis CC
CC of Charleston
CC of Fairfield
Wanumetonomy G & CC
Blind Brook Club
Southampton GC








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Keith Williams

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2022, 02:57:50 PM »
Jack Nicklaus did two "Bear's Best" courses, one in Las Vegas and one in Atlanta.  Also, Ron Garl had a number of template/tribute holes at Golden Ocala.


-Keith

Doug Bolls

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2022, 05:37:23 PM »
"The Tribute" course in The Colony (north of Dallas) TX is a wonderful collection of well known holes from Scotland / Ireland  - including Road, Cape, 1 & 18 Old Course, Postage Stamp, etc.  One of my favorite places to play in the DFW area.  I have played most of them in their original location and fine them (in my limited knowledge) to be pretty close to the real thing.  The Valley of Sin is right there front left of #18.

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2022, 06:57:47 PM »
Since you are using some Raynor courses you might want to add Somerset in MN.
Where there is no love, put love; there you will find love.
St. John of the Cross

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Tim Leahy

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2022, 07:44:57 PM »
Funny that in a state known for Hollywood remakes there are no template courses in California. You would think that Palm Springs or San Diego would be a great destination for one with all the vacation traffic.
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Wade Whitehead

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2022, 09:34:55 PM »
Contentment, eventually, I hope.

WW

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2022, 09:46:20 PM »
Replica courses are different from templates, I would list them separately.
Replicas are trying to replicate on a different piece of ground - usually far from great.
Templates use a familiar format to fit on a unique piece of ground - better results depending on the designer.


The new Lido would be a replica of a template.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Complete list of template golf courses in North America
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2022, 04:57:58 PM »

The new Lido would be a replica of a template.


I guess.  One of the odd parts of it is that, since we are using the plasticine model made for the course as a reference, we're kind of using the same source material that the original contractor(s) did.

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