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PCCraig

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The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« on: July 28, 2020, 03:46:41 PM »
Hearing rumors (and surprised nothing posted here yet) from quite a few folks that the famed Lido will be rebuilt as part of a private club located very close to Sand Valley in Wisconsin.


Anyone else hearing something similar?
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Cal Seifert

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2020, 04:09:16 PM »
They won’t have to worry about the Biarritz eroding into the ocean.
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JC Jones

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2020, 05:32:14 PM »
We will get the opportunity to do a hole by hole match play between Lido (Thailand) and Lido (Wisconsin).
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John Emerson

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2020, 06:52:19 PM »
How is this possible to duplicate in the middle of Wisconsin?  I guess with enough money anything is possible though.  I, for one, love the lore of Lido, but is this even possible for this type of course to live up to the hype?  I feel like these types of things usually fall short.
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Andrew Harvie

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2020, 06:53:27 PM »
Quote from: JC Jones on July 28, 2020, 05:32:14 PM
We will get the opportunity to do a hole by hole match play between Lido (Thailand) and Lido (Wisconsin).


Two is better than one!
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Joel_Stewart

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2020, 10:55:15 PM »
I guess it's out of the bag. Michael Keiser is obsessed with the Lido and wants to build it there.


They sent some photos to the partners last week, using the ones posted here on GCA.  Tom Doak will be the architect.


My guess it will be a few years away.
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2020, 06:42:32 AM »
Well, it wasn't out of the bag until that last post. It was simply rumor, wafting on the wind.
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Jeff Schley

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2020, 08:22:58 AM »
I had only hear Keiser and Wisconsin, didn't know Doak or private. Unless built concurrently with Doaks short course which I don't believe has even started yet, it will be several years before we see it.  Exciting stuff.
Can't wait to see Peter Flory's Lido course built as a simulated course in it's entirety.
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PCCraig

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin? New
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2020, 08:48:22 AM »
From what I've heard it may be a bit of a real estate development. So, perhaps the course will be built more quickly depending on interest in joining/building at the club.


I thought Tom Doak's Sand Valley course was officially on hold due to the economy?
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Tom_Doak

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2020, 10:07:21 AM »
Quote from: Ronald Montesano on July 29, 2020, 06:42:32 AM
Well, it wasn't out of the bag until that last post. It was simply rumor, wafting on the wind.


Everything's a rumor until the money is committed, especially in the days of coronavirus, so there's not much reason to discuss it now.


And honestly there isn't much to discuss if it goes ahead, until it is ready to play.  The intent is to recreate the golf course as best we can.  The only changes will be to spread out the holes in spots for safety reasons, which might allow for a few extra tees.  Otherwise we will be trying to rebuild the golf holes and features as precisely as we can - I'm not going to try to redesign or improve the holes.


It's a separate project financed independently of Sand Valley, so the timing of the two are not related.  But my guess is that this will either get going soon, or not at all.  They are taking deposits for memberships and you can only hold onto that money for so long.
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Mark Fedeli

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2020, 11:50:08 AM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on July 29, 2020, 10:07:21 AM
Quote from: Ronald Montesano on July 29, 2020, 06:42:32 AM
Well, it wasn't out of the bag until that last post. It was simply rumor, wafting on the wind.


Everything's a rumor until the money is committed, especially in the days of coronavirus, so there's not much reason to discuss it now.


And honestly there isn't much to discuss if it goes ahead, until it is ready to play.  The intent is to recreate the golf course as best we can.  The only changes will be to spread out the holes in spots for safety reasons, which might allow for a few extra tees.  Otherwise we will be trying to rebuild the golf holes and features as precisely as we can - I'm not going to try to redesign or improve the holes.


It's a separate project financed independently of Sand Valley, so the timing of the two are not related.  But my guess is that this will either get going soon, or not at all.  They are taking deposits for memberships and you can only hold onto that money for so long.


I'm all for this. I understand the hesitation some have for tribute courses or direct recreations, but the outsized lore and legend of Lido has earned it this opportunity. And its existence can only help educate people about golf and GCA history. But most importantly, Tom's work expresses a diversity of ideas and concepts — for him specifically to try this is exciting and fits in nicely with his overall career. To go from the extremes of minimalism/naturalism to not only moving a lot of earth, but moving it to near-exactly match a NLE that in its day had moved a shocking amount of earth... that's the kind of variety I can get behind. Let's have some fun, folks!
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Garland Bayley

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2020, 11:55:09 AM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on July 29, 2020, 10:07:21 AM
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Otherwise we will be trying to rebuild the golf holes and features as precisely as we can - I'm not going to try to redesign or improve the holes.
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What will be the source of that precision?
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Mike Hendren

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2020, 11:56:12 AM »
So, in a nutshell Lido's waitin' for the go?

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Kalen Braley

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2020, 12:07:56 PM »
Quote from: Garland Bayley on July 29, 2020, 11:55:09 AM
Quote from: Tom_Doak on July 29, 2020, 10:07:21 AM
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Otherwise we will be trying to rebuild the golf holes and features as precisely as we can - I'm not going to try to redesign or improve the holes.
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What will be the source of that precision?

I'm guessing this thread wouldn't be a bad place to start.  Peter has done some fine work.

https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,65640.0.html
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Garland Bayley

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2020, 12:26:16 PM »
Quote from: Kalen Braley on July 29, 2020, 12:07:56 PM
Quote from: Garland Bayley on July 29, 2020, 11:55:09 AM
Quote from: Tom_Doak on July 29, 2020, 10:07:21 AM
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Otherwise we will be trying to rebuild the golf holes and features as precisely as we can - I'm not going to try to redesign or improve the holes.
...

What will be the source of that precision?

I'm guessing this thread wouldn't be a bad place to start.  Peter has done some fine work.

https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,65640.0.html

Like everyone on this site doesn't know about that thread?  ::)
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Kalen Braley

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2020, 12:58:50 PM »
Perhaps, but you obviously didn't bother to read it then, because if you had you would know it contains a great deal of detailed and fairly precise information.



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Garland Bayley

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2020, 02:14:50 PM »
Quote from: Kalen Braley on July 29, 2020, 12:58:50 PM
Perhaps, but you obviously didn't bother to read it then, because if you had you would know it contains a great deal of detailed and fairly precise information.

We've all read it.  ::)
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Michael Moore

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2020, 02:47:57 PM »
I heard they were doing it in a Thai swamp . . .
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Michael Blake

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2020, 03:31:00 PM »
Quote from: Garland Bayley on July 29, 2020, 02:14:50 PM
Quote from: Kalen Braley on July 29, 2020, 12:58:50 PM
Perhaps, but you obviously didn't bother to read it then, because if you had you would know it contains a great deal of detailed and fairly precise information.

We've all read it.  ::)




I think it's time for another GRUDGE MATCH!  :)
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Andrew Harvie

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2020, 03:33:34 PM »
Quote from: Ronald Montesano on July 29, 2020, 06:42:32 AM
Well, it wasn't out of the bag until that last post. It was simply rumor, wafting on the wind.


I had heard rumours for a year or so of similar nature, but didn't want to be the one to leak it  ;)
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Tim_Weiman

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2020, 03:36:25 PM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on July 29, 2020, 10:07:21 AM
Quote from: Ronald Montesano on July 29, 2020, 06:42:32 AM
Well, it wasn't out of the bag until that last post. It was simply rumor, wafting on the wind.


Everything's a rumor until the money is committed, especially in the days of coronavirus, so there's not much reason to discuss it now.


And honestly there isn't much to discuss if it goes ahead, until it is ready to play.  The intent is to recreate the golf course as best we can.  The only changes will be to spread out the holes in spots for safety reasons, which might allow for a few extra tees.  Otherwise we will be trying to rebuild the golf holes and features as precisely as we can - I'm not going to try to redesign or improve the holes.


It's a separate project financed independently of Sand Valley, so the timing of the two are not related.  But my guess is that this will either get going soon, or not at all.  They are taking deposits for memberships and you can only hold onto that money for so long.
Tom,


Thanks for sharing what you could. Hope it happens for you.
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Jerry Kluger

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2020, 03:46:03 PM »
I remember being at Bandon and Ran was there along with George Bahto as well as Tom Doak when they were opening Old Mac and how proud and excited George was to show Ran the course.  It makes me sad that George would not see any recreation of Lido as he was so close to the course and explained it in great depth in his book.
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Peter Flory

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2020, 04:20:01 PM »
Quote from: Jerry Kluger on July 29, 2020, 03:46:03 PM
I remember being at Bandon and Ran was there along with George Bahto as well as Tom Doak when they were opening Old Mac and how proud and excited George was to show Ran the course.  It makes me sad that George would not see any recreation of Lido as he was so close to the course and explained it in great depth in his book.


It's strange when you know that you are witnessing history.  That is a pretty cool memory. 
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Adam Clayman

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2020, 05:40:14 PM »
If MK is obsessed with Lido, we have Gib to thank. Thanks Gibby


But it does beg the question; Why hasn't he hired Jim Urbina to build a proper homage to his favorite dead guy, Alister MacKenzie?
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Mark Hissey

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Re: The Lido to be rebuilt in Wisconsin?
« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2020, 11:24:30 PM »
Maybe Jim is waiting for something else?  :o
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