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Also wondering what the photo of the 2nd hole at the E-B Arg estate course, the Dentone course, that Alfonso mentions looks like. Anyone able to post a copy or provide a link?
Were they in possession or more detailed plans or is that drawing it? And does anyone know the exact plot of land the the plans were made for in S.A.? I'm just curious if it is potentially able to be rendered digitally to bring some life to it if real life projects are unlikely to happen.
Quote from: Thomas Dai on January 11, 2020, 03:58:40 PMAlso wondering what the photo of the 2nd hole at the E-B Arg estate course, the Dentone course, that Alfonso mentions looks like. Anyone able to post a copy or provide a link?What course are you referring to? The famous Dentone course is Mar del Plata Golf Course, a links.
This is the land today. The article states the 9 hole golf course was designed by Makenzie was in the middle of the gardens next to the house. But the source does not seem reliable. For example I see discrepancies on who designed and built the gardens. I thought and have read it was the famous Carlos Thays and this article refers to Hermann Botrich. So 2 different landscape planners and 2 different golf designers are credited to this land.
MC,There is a photo of the 'clubhouse' in the Tom Dunne article I linked above -- https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57feba89197aea1c0b978f32/t/58755241d2b857aea5260f35/1484083781565/TL_article_Lost_MacKenzie_Nov-Dec2009.pdfMike, do you have a copy of Alfonso's 1940 2nd green photo?
MC,There is a photo of the 'clubhouse' in the Tom Dunne article I linked above -- https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57feba89197aea1c0b978f32/t/58755241d2b857aea5260f35/1484083781565/TL_article_Lost_MacKenzie_Nov-Dec2009.pdfThere are some also articles on the web about the horse and polo facility that is now on the site.Here are the references. The articles are essentially touristy type pieces, more about horses and polo, but they do include some golf references -https://www.ft.com/content/eef30598-52ac-11e8-84f4-43d65af59d43andhttps://www.plansouthamerica.com/estancia-el-boqueron-argentina/Mike, do you have a copy of Alfonso's 1940 2nd green photo?atb
Here is a preliminary theory for the course footprint. I could be way off base, but I'll explain my rationale and see if anyone can support it or poke holes in it. I couldn't find any buildings on the estate that looked like the clubhouse until I wound back the clock to prior years and saw a building in the trees that looks like the one in the articles where the plans hung above the mantle (the trees were thinner and/or light was different in some aerials). It has a little blue 1 next to it below. If this is right, then the picture of the house was from the entrance and the course would have been on the other side of it. To get the scale right, I looked for other clues. The gorse patch that has a very flat topside (I have a blue #2 next to it) seemed like it signified some sort of boundary. There is a road/ driveway that seems to correspond with it and I lined up the image so that the gorse border is exactly along this road. The last datapoint that I used to get the possible scale was the way that the 17th hole doglegs. Notice how there is a field there and it looks like the El Boqueron property ends. I guess that this is the reason for the dogleg and I stretched the image so that it avoided the neighbor's property, but still gave the hole a reasonable amount of width. No idea if this is right, but when I fly around the course and look at the elevations and the way that the holes bend, it all seems to make sense. i.e. there is nothing too awkward. The short 15th is a par 4 that plays steeply uphill for instance, which would explain it's length. But I think this theory contradicts the existing one that the property was all on a big downslope away from the clubhouse. In this version, the clubhouse is one of the lowest points. Here is a zoomed in view of the building that I think looks like the clubhouse: The roof, the chimney, and the color are what led me to believe that this might be it. This building measures about 45 feet across, which seems like the right scale.
Peter nice work. BTW how is the Lido virtual build coming?