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T_MacWood

Engineers
« on: March 27, 2003, 08:57:35 PM »
Engineers had a remarkable beginning hosting two major championships within its first few years of existance. By all acounts it was a revolutionary and important design. What happened to Engineers and what is its status today?
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TEPaul

Re: Engineers
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2003, 08:00:51 PM »
Tom MacW:

Unless I'm mistaken I think Gil Hanse has been working on it on and off. If so I'll ask him about it.
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George_Bahto

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Re: Engineers
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2003, 09:30:38 PM »
It has gone well beyond that - Gil just did two greens -- those unique greens have been dramatically softened
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Craig Van Egmond

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Re: Engineers
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2003, 10:08:08 PM »

I thought Tripp Davis was doing some work there.

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T_MacWood

Re: Engineers
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2003, 10:29:39 PM »
The reports aren't too promising, which is a damn shame because the course looked to be something special. [I will admit right now I have never played the course - today or in 1918] I wonder if the flambouyance of Strong's architecture has worked against his legacy.
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Craig Van Egmond

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Re: Engineers
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2003, 08:29:00 AM »

Here is a blurb on Tripp Davis's website about work at Engineers.

http://www.tdagolfarchitecture.com/portfolios.asp?type=3
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T_MacWood

Re: Engineers
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2003, 08:41:25 AM »
Thanks for the link....too bad about the greens. From the picture of the '2 or 22' hole it looks like they are going for a psuedo-Ross look and not Strong.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Engineers
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2003, 10:22:26 AM »
Bruce Hepner and I went and played the course 2-3 years ago when they were looking to hire a consultant.  We didn't take the job, in part because it was clear they wanted to change more of the greens than we could stomach.

The golf course has some of the wildest greens I have ever seen.  I did think a couple of them had to be changed, but a couple of the most controversial ones were so cool that I thought they ought to be left alone, or maybe subtly enlarged to give them more pin placements without changing the design.  But it would have taken a lot of time to convince the members of that, if anyone could have.
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Brad Klein

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Re: Engineers
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2003, 05:54:49 PM »
Ten years ago a wonderfully devoted Engineers member named Marty Kantor single-handidly rousted up a restoration program and got Hanse on board. The greens there and the land are amazing, though some of it had been altered by tree planting and some weird Frank Duane work, but nothing terribly beyond repair. Sadly, and shockingly, Dr. Kantor committed suicide - stunned everyone, and since then the project of greens expansion and course restoration went in different directions. Kantor was a great guy, way ahead of his membership, and his death really threw everyone for a loop.
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T_MacWood

Re: Engineers
« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2003, 06:24:06 PM »
Fascinating and tragic. From what I've uncovered Engineers was really something special - bold and excentric. It became instantly famous hosting the US Am and the PGA in its first five years or so of existance. And then nothing. A shooting star. I have no idea why. Apparently Dr.Kantor recognized its genius, sadly it sounds like both met similar fates.
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