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John:Now THAT is the proper argument here, well stated....I can also see how very reasonably those who say architecture is all that matters would argue strenuously against my take here. To each his own, we can both be "right" about this, and it comes down to fundamentally what one wants out of golf and a golf course.Strip out tradition and the data is good - TO YOU. Hey, I like the way the list comes out that way a bit better also.BUT... I can also see how very reasonable people can come up with how it goes with tradition points added... and given that I do believe it matters, I for sure am not gonna quibble with how the results the editors arrived at. Different opinions + multiple factors guarantees results not everyone agrees with.TH
John Conley,regarding Garden City Golf Club, the locker rooom surely merits valuable "tradition points." Plus, how can you not give a bonus for a course where jacket and tie are mandatory but not a shirt?