Ran Morrissett

Cabot Citrus Farms - The Roost profile is posted
« on: June 17, 2025, 11:24:08 AM »

https://golfclubatlas.com/countries/cabot-citrus-farms-roost-2025/

On a go forward basis over the next five years, I hope to post a new or updated course profile in the middle of each month. One of the driving purposes behind GolfClubAtlas was for it to be a platform for in-depth analysis of the sort that you seldom find elsewhere. Plus, I love long-form writing, so there you have it!

The first of sixty is on The Roost at Cabot Citrus Farms, where I have spent a chunk of time over the past few years. Over 6,500 words and 40+ photographs, I hope I have conveyed what Kyle Franz, Mike Nuzzo and Rod Whitman and I tried to accomplish there. Succinctly put, we wanted to present a course that was playable for all levels that captured the site's rustic qualities. Pastures border the course to the east and north and headlined by scores and scores of live oaks, The Roost is meant to embrace the slow rhythm of Old Florida.  Certainly, there is room off the tee, but Rod's greens lend the course an edgy playing quality. The player in pic 1 was once 9 paces onto the 4th green and well, you can see how that worked out for him.






This past weekend, I posted something on Cavendish on Instagram, and nothing would be more educational than to learn from Alister MacKenzie himself how he sorted out the complexities of that amazing routing, given the tumbling nature of the land in the Peak District. Yet, that's not going to happen. However, going forward, Andrew, Ben, Joe and I look forward to having various gatherings per year at modern courses or restorations where you can hear from the "horse's mouth" what was trying to be accomplished and why. If GolfClubAtlas can facilitate interaction with owners/architects/shapers, we are all bound to learn stuff while having fun, an irresistible combo, IMO. 

To that end, the mid-July profile will be on The Park in West Palm and nothing would make me happier than to have a GCA event at both courses this winter and have principals from each project present for a Q & A. I hope that sounds appealing but back to the topic at hand, which is The Roost. It is a true one-off that never would have unfolded in the manner it did unless Ben Cowan-Dewar put faith in friends to band together and do the land justice. Did we succeed? You be the judge!


Best,


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Simon Barrington

Re: Cabot Citrus Farms - The Roost profile is posted
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2025, 12:30:51 PM »
Really looking forward to reading the profile, having been fortunate enough to visit and experience "The Roost" (also "The Wedge" Par 3 &  "The Squeeze" which was a 10-hole riot of joy too) in preview play this January.

I would say that my abiding memory of The Roost is that for a modern course it embraced the best aspects of the ground game better than any new course I have come across.

I played with a "bomber" (320-330 carry) and despite being far far behind him off the tee by using the contour and some good "Scottish" running approaches often outscored him as he short-sided himself lofted wedge after lofted wedge.
It was great fun, even he (and other playing partners) was laughing at the disparity of method and result, and I have to say we really opened his eyes as to an entirely different form of the game, so thanks to the entire team for the possibility of that.

I felt the course managed to meld itself pretty seamlessly between the varying habitats, creating a cohesive routing and character.
The designs were bold, which I think is a great result of you all riffing off each other without too many constraints (beyond those the ground gave). Seems Ben gave you all pretty free rein.

So great fun and what I consider proper golf (not resort), a few front to back greens, and some real imagination.

The Cabot experience was (even at that early nascent stage) great, although the freshly painted white picket fencing made me think I was acting in a new spin-off series - "Desperate Golf-husbands"!  ;)

Interested in others thoughts, and to reading Drew's views.
(EDIT: Having now read the piece - Ran's views!)

Cheers
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Thomas Dai

Re: Cabot Citrus Farms - The Roost profile is posted
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2025, 05:34:43 PM »
This past weekend, I posted something on Cavendish on Instagram, and nothing would be more educational than to learn from Alister MacKenzie himself how he sorted out the complexities of that amazing routing, given the tumbling nature of the land in the Peak District. Yet, that's not going to happen. However, going forward, Andrew, Ben, Joe and I look forward to having various gatherings per year at modern courses or restorations where you can hear from the "horse's mouth" what was trying to be accomplished and why. If GolfClubAtlas can facilitate interaction with owners/architects/shapers, we are all bound to learn stuff while having fun, an irresistible combo, IMO. 
Like this "from the horse's mouth" idea. And documented/recorded for historical posterity too.
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Wayne_Kozun

Re: Cabot Citrus Farms - The Roost profile is posted
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2025, 10:28:38 PM »
Awesome Ran - great to see this course profile!
By the way, one glaring omission, at least in my opinion, on GCA is a course profile of Cabot Cliffs.  I presume that you have played the course, probably many times.  Why no profile on GCA despite the fact that the course has been open for a decade?

Kyle Harris

Re: Cabot Citrus Farms - The Roost profile is posted
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2025, 11:12:56 AM »
I've sat on this for weeks now.

As the resident champion of Rolling Oaks (I don't think I'm sticking my neck out in saying I've played it more frequently than most anyone on here) I watched from both afar and somewhat close with some trepidation as this beloved-by-me golf course went under the knife.

Since conversation about The Roost hasn't quite gotten off the ground, I'll start...

I don't get it.

After playing The Roost I laconically texted another regular on here that it is with great irony that a Tom Fazio golf course in Florida was renovated and somehow removed great uphill approaches and put more water into play.

The golf course is certainly improved but I'm not sure the whole is necessarily better. Or perhaps that's the other way around.

I think it's fair in a renovation to evaluate the subsequent effort through the lens of the previous effort. After all, a golf architect has made a statement about the golfing vaue of the property before and a new one has come in and made a different statement knowing what the previous architect felt or did.

Thus dissecting:

Holes #1 and 2: Definite improvement. The Rolling Oaks opening duo weren't necessarily bad but they weren't particularly noteworthy. The new holes close a few gaps in the routing and push the golfer into the property in a more authoritative manner. I stand on the 3rd tee, now, feeling like the round has started. Previously I only felt like the round was about to begin.

Hole #3: This is, at best, a wash. Pushing the green back to the property line added some distance to appeal to the modern distance requirement. It was a great hole before. The current version is also great.


Hole #4: A step backwards. The Fazio hole had some intrigue at the corner of the dogleg. In the same manner of a William Flynn hole being outside the dogleg and trading some distance for position was ideal. It wasn't obvious strategy. The green also demanded distance control. The current bi-level hole is fine, it's just not a better statement of golf than what was there.

Hole #5: HARD no. Losing the excellent old Par 5 fifth for a long Par 4? Why? It is rare enough that a Par 5 has an interesting second shot but the Fazio version actually had intrigue without flash. The first in a them of the current hole is fine but the previous was also fine. And in context, now we have back-to-back long-ish Par 4s instead of a Drive and Pitch Par 4 and a sometimes reachable with two great shots Par 5. 

Hole #6: Another no from me. A driveable Par 4 with a big bunker down the left? I've seen this movie before. But it also replaces a unique hole in the Fazio ouevre. Why replace a unique and dare I say quirky drive and pitch hole that used nice trees to great effect I'm calling this one a loss.


Hole #7: Where the routing begins to divert from Rolling Oaks. This is a reverse of the original 11th hole. This office will regret the loss of the "Umbro" mowing pattern in the fairway but the reverse hole here works just fine. I like it as a hole and it's an improved use of the corridor for golf.

Hole #8: Again jumping around the old Rolling Oaks routing as this was the original 16th. It's, by far, my favorite of the new greens and I am happy the longer yardage was preserved. A favorite.

Hole #9: Once again, the campaign to remove any sort of quirk from the Tom Fazio course marches on. The corridor was the old 17th on Rolling Oaks and gone is the tee shot over the hill leaving a ticklish pitch to a green that fell away from the player. Now we have an okay Par 5.

Hole #10: I recognize that I am in the only one in the Western (and Southern) Hemisphere that liked loved the original 18th at Rolling Oaks. So, my jarring feelings on this hole are indeed quite biased. The table top green is neat.

Hole #11: The original RO 10th. I like the newer version better for a few reasons, not the least of which is the decision to remove the old drainage infrastructure that was buried by Fazio and return open ditches (even ravines!) that restore some of the pre-golf character to the land. As this course ages and Rolling Oaks becomes but a distant memory I suspect these are the kinds of changes which will keep the The Roost in higher esteem than the predecessor course.

Hole #12: Here's where the course loses me. This is a reverse of the Rolling Oaks 15th. I liked the old 15th, especially the difficulty from the tee. This hole... seems to have a lot of ideas. I don't understand the shaping in front of the green at all. It's well-exectued but feels out of place - as though Streamsong decided to become an arboretum.

Hole #13: It certainly is grand from the tee. Going back to my text message - a renovated a Fazio in Florida took out a wonderful uphill all the way Par 4 that required precise decision making off the tee and replaced it with a downhill vista of a golf hole with water in play. Ironic, to say the least. The theme of building good golf holes at the expense of other good-to-great golf holes continues.

Hole #14: It's a great Par 3. It's a great hole. And it's certainly an improvement from Rolling Oaks's 13th in the other direction. However, and I'll take Ran to task here for his rhetoric... we lament that the sink hole was not used effectively in the previous routing but then we make the golfer play over it with a short and high shot as a penal hazard. That's not exactly integrating the sinkhole with the golfer in any strategic sense because...

Hole #15: ...the sinkhole was very much on the mind of any golfer playing from the original Rolling Oaks 12th tee - a candidate for best hole on the Rolling Oaks version of the property. Hole #15 reversed the direction of play and puts all of the uphill nature of the hole under the tee shot. I do like this hole but I liked the old version -and the original routing through this portion of the property- much better.

Hole #16: I once heard the opinion that the original Rolling Oaks 7th was actually the closest hole to the Augusta National feel. Either way, the original 7th was a brutally hard golf hole whose fairway seemed to move after you struck your tee shot. I feel the new hole is the single biggest improvement over the equivalent Rolling Oaks offering apart from the opening two holes Wonderful work all around in shaping, too.

Hole #17: The original 8th with a much needed makeover. I can't help but wonder what if the sensibilities shown on improving the 8th were shown on the rest of the golf course...

Hole #18: I liked the original 9th. I like this one, too. See above statement about sensibilities.

The Roost is a fine golf course and I will return with pleasure. As Rolling Oaks disappears in the rearview mirror perhaps I will soften some of my feelings about what once was. But my current view is that The Roost represents, not so much a golf course, but a collection of ideas to appeal to the modern golfer as though we were ticking off a list of concepts that work well elsewhere. They work well here, too, but do they represent an improvement over what was?
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Mike Nuzzo

Re: Cabot Citrus Farms - The Roost profile is posted
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2025, 10:58:40 PM »

Hole #6: Another no from me. A driveable Par 4 with a big bunker down the left? I've seen this movie before. But it also replaces a unique hole in the Fazio ouevre. Why replace a unique and dare I say quirky drive and pitch hole that used nice trees to great effect I'm calling this one a loss.



Thank you for sharing, Kyle. You certainly loved Rolling Oaks. Every bit had meaning for you, like a comfortable shoe.
Rolling Oaks was the Augusta of World Woods. MacKenzie designed Augusta and great work in the Sandbelt that preceded Augusta.


Responding to just one comment, the sixth hole.
The old 5th green was down in a nae wind, wet, low area, with the 6th tee a cart drive away on an elevated stacked boulder retaining wall tee, making the 6th hole play less uphill. The tee shot was a forced layup in front of two pretty Live Oaks. The approach had to hit over or under the trees - they were directly in the line of play. The green was a soft Pringles potato chip; none of the old greens were more interesting than a Pringles chip. I did not like that hole or enjoy playing it. I'm glad you enjoyed it. The old sixth got very low scores from several other prominent golf opinions.


The new 6th was entirely rotated 45 degrees counterclockwise from the old. This brought the tee adjacent to the new 5th green location - no walk. The new hole plays uphill with the pretty Live Oaks on the right and a stunning Live Oak back left of the green in great composition. The green is perched at the top of the hill. From the tee, it looks like the 10th at Royal Melbourne West.


Yes, the old 6th was unique, and I'd rather play a hole similar to RMW10 than the old 6th ten out of ten times.


I don't agree with your other comments, but I felt it may be of value to others to hear feedback on this hole.


The old routing reminded me of going out to play with my friends, then being called home for dinner by my mom, and having to run straight home, then running straight back out after dinner to finish enjoying playing outside with friends. If anyone would like, I can share the routing evolution.


Peace
Mike
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Alex_Hunter

Re: Cabot Citrus Farms - The Roost profile is posted
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2025, 07:34:38 PM »
I never had the fortune of playing the old World Woods. I know a number of people who have and they have strong opinions on the new courses showcased. Some positive, some negative, perhaps more leaning on the latter and I wonder if that has something to do with sentimental and affordability reasons.


Though I was lucky enough to be part of a special day in March 2024, alongside good friends Andrew Harvie and Jason Bernardon, to be one of the first golfers to play the Roost (in the dirt). There was about 8 "holes" we could play and I really enjoyed the variety on offer. The first is a captivating hole with plenty of strategic interest from tee to green and the most lovely waves green complex that just dazzled my eye. And from that moment on I was pretty captivated by its composition - in particular holes like the 4th and 16th really caught my attention and I wish we could have played them that day (they were 100% dirt). Overall I felt there is a good variety in green sites, and their composition, which were largely built by Rod Whitman I believe, who I have a great affinity for as a fellow Canadian. As I understand it some things have changed since and I would love to return someday when time, money, and other circumstances allow.[/size]

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Until then, thanks for sharing Ran. I enjoyed the read.
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Jason_Bernardon

Re: Cabot Citrus Farms - The Roost profile is posted
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2025, 07:38:17 PM »
That was a very special day. Hope to get back there one day to play the holes I saw in the dirt.

Jason_Bernardon

Re: Cabot Citrus Farms - The Roost profile is posted
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2025, 06:43:39 PM »

David Kelly

Re: Cabot Citrus Farms - The Roost profile is posted
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2025, 07:45:14 PM »
I never had the fortune of playing the old World Woods. I know a number of people who have and they have strong opinions on the new courses showcased. Some positive, some negative, perhaps more leaning on the latter and I wonder if that has something to do with sentimental and affordability reasons.
I am looking forward to eventually playing both courses at Cabot Citrus Farms.  I played World Woods a lot during its first two years in operation when there was a lot of money and effort being put into the place.  By the end, WW was certainly looking tired but the only thing I really lament is the loss of Pine Barrens, the one Fazio course I really liked. 
"Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent." - Judge Holden, Blood Meridian.

Rob Marshall

Re: Cabot Citrus Farms - The Roost profile is posted
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2025, 10:30:47 PM »
I never had the fortune of playing the old World Woods. I know a number of people who have and they have strong opinions on the new courses showcased. Some positive, some negative, perhaps more leaning on the latter and I wonder if that has something to do with sentimental and affordability reasons.
I am looking forward to eventually playing both courses at Cabot Citrus Farms.  I played World Woods a lot during its first two years in operation when there was a lot of money and effort being put into the place.  By the end, WW was certainly looking tired but the only thing I really lament is the loss of Pine Barrens, the one Fazio course I really liked.


Yup, I loved playing Pine Barrens. I was with my late father when he got his only hole in one on the 16th hole as the sun was going down. We couldn't see it come down and found it in the hole.
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Mike Nuzzo

Re: Cabot Citrus Farms - The Roost profile is posted
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2025, 11:27:21 PM »

I am looking forward to eventually playing both courses at Cabot Citrus Farms.  I played World Woods a lot during its first two years in operation when there was a lot of money and effort being put into the place.  By the end, WW was certainly looking tired but the only thing I really lament is the loss of Pine Barrens, the one Fazio course I really liked.

There are 4 courses at Cabot Citrus Farms. Skip the Squeeze at your peril. Peace
Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

David Kelly

Re: Cabot Citrus Farms - The Roost profile is posted
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2025, 04:15:40 AM »

I am looking forward to eventually playing both courses at Cabot Citrus Farms.  I played World Woods a lot during its first two years in operation when there was a lot of money and effort being put into the place.  By the end, WW was certainly looking tired but the only thing I really lament is the loss of Pine Barrens, the one Fazio course I really liked.

There are 4 courses at Cabot Citrus Farms. Skip the Squeeze at your peril. Peace
I'll definitely play them all as the place looks really fun.
"Whatever in creation exists without my knowledge exists without my consent." - Judge Holden, Blood Meridian.

Rob Marshall

Re: Cabot Citrus Farms - The Roost profile is posted
« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2025, 09:31:36 AM »

I am looking forward to eventually playing both courses at Cabot Citrus Farms.  I played World Woods a lot during its first two years in operation when there was a lot of money and effort being put into the place.  By the end, WW was certainly looking tired but the only thing I really lament is the loss of Pine Barrens, the one Fazio course I really liked.

There are 4 courses at Cabot Citrus Farms. Skip the Squeeze at your peril. Peace


4 courses?
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.” Jimmy Buffett

Simon Barrington

Re: Cabot Citrus Farms - The Roost profile is posted
« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2025, 09:33:32 AM »

I am looking forward to eventually playing both courses at Cabot Citrus Farms.  I played World Woods a lot during its first two years in operation when there was a lot of money and effort being put into the place.  By the end, WW was certainly looking tired but the only thing I really lament is the loss of Pine Barrens, the one Fazio course I really liked.

There are 4 courses at Cabot Citrus Farms. Skip the Squeeze at your peril. Peace


4 courses?
Karoo, Roost, Squeeze, & Wedge
18, 18, 10, & 11 (Par 3's)

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