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Quote from: Ian Andrew on November 19, 2023, 09:28:30 AMI like where the money is going:The chief beneficiary is the Clearview Legacy Foundation, whose mission is to preserve the legacy and facilities at Clearview Golf Club, in Ohio, the only course in the country built, owned and operated by an African-American. [/size]If you're betting I'd be interested in the course, you'd be correct, but that's where it ends.An attendee would be a fool to think any 4 day crash course could grant a legitimate credential in the field of GCA. For some busy folks, 4-days to learn and experience a deeper understanding of the breadth of the job may be an efficient (albeit expensive) way to get their feet wet and get their hands dirty to see if it's anything they'd want to pursue further.I have been in touch with a couple local GCAs who say they'd be happy to have me shadow on the job from time to time. Unfortunately, time is currently my limiting asset, but that will change as years roll forward. A course like this could make me more useful to them and I could learn quicker by putting theory into experience. I'll be there to learn, work, and contribute in exchange for the generosity of their time.Many of golf's greatest GCAs had careers elsewhere first. Let's look at a few...Pete Dye- Insurance salesman. I think it's great he let you work on his projects for 4 years before you went out on your own.Alister Mackenzie- physicianSeth Raynor- engineerRTJ Sr- engineering student and club proTom Simpon- lawyerHenry Colt- lawyerAW Tillinghast- journalistBill Coore- GC Super (like my dad)Then there are those who were virtual mega millionaires and pursued architecture:CB MacDonaldHenry FownesGeorge CrumpI dont believe there's a dentist on that list yet...Hopes of becoming a GCA aside, a boot camp like this can benefit my home course, perhaps with a better understanding of what NOT to do and why. Some members of Hooper's Greens Committee have been pushing for removal of some of Stiles' original bunkers on 5 and 7, and the newer fairway bunkers on 9. They successfully overruled my vote 2 years ago in removing one on 6. They don't appear interested in my suggestion to hire a consulting architect first. It has been difficult to conclude whether this is because they assume it is cost prohibitive, or they simply don't want the expert advice. Will the Committee heed the cautious suggestions of a 4-day architecture course "graduate" instead? Doubtful, but you never know.I agree the price tag is a deal breaker for many. Does it buy the same experience an intern working for peanuts will receive? Of course not. Those are two different animals, but it's a taste.Agreed. I had missed that when I first made the post. I was wondering where all the $ was going. Maybe I should do a seminar next year and give all the proceeds to charity?If indeed the participants all look at it like a baseball fantasy camp, no problems here. I doubt that will happen, though. I'm betting it's our dentist from Hooper and other guys who will try to use it as a credential, like I've seen some people use the week-long Harvard course . . . and if that's what happens, I'm surprised ASGCA is giving people the credential.Honestly, though, my main take is that the seminar is aimed at poseurs rather than actual students. I still remember that, as much help as I got in my youth from everyone else in the greater world of golf, the ASGCA were the outliers . . . they were no help at all, not encouraging in the slightest. [Not that that should reflect on current members.] That's the real reason I never wanted to join. I'd rather put my money toward our internships.[/color]
I like where the money is going:The chief beneficiary is the Clearview Legacy Foundation, whose mission is to preserve the legacy and facilities at Clearview Golf Club, in Ohio, the only course in the country built, owned and operated by an African-American.