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Thomas Dai

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Putter loft and consequences
« on: November 15, 2023, 02:18:21 PM »


As the game, agronomy techniques, the standard of greenkeeping equipment especially mowers but other equipment too has developed so the degree of loft on a putter face has declined and declined quite considerably with 2*/3* being pretty standard on modern putters.
With sustainability and environmental considerations becoming ever more important within the game would a minimum limit on the loft of a putter, say 5*/6* as was the case a couple of decades ago, encourage a return to higher heights of cut, less stressed putting surfaces, less required inputs, less input costs and overall better environmental and sustainability characteristics etc?
Mind some folks still use older era more lofted putters.
Chicken and egg, egg and chicken?
Thoughts?
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David_Tepper

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Re: Putter loft and consequences
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2023, 02:32:46 PM »
Please, you are grasping a straws (or maybe grass clippings :) ). Do we really need another (very difficult to enforce) regulation regarding golf equipment?


Suppose it is mandated that all putters must have a minimum loft of 5* or more. What will stop someone from bending the loft on their putter to a lower loft? Will every tournament site have to have a loft/lie machine to check each putter used in the event?

Charlie Goerges

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Re: Putter loft and consequences
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2023, 03:25:12 PM »
I'm super on board with higher heights of cut, but I agree with David that this won't cause that. Even short of people actively cheating, you can just play the ball back in your stance or forward press in order to deloft the club legally.


Edit: But let's definitely try to change the culture around this!
« Last Edit: November 15, 2023, 03:27:36 PM by Charlie Goerges »
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Matt Schoolfield

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Re: Putter loft and consequences
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2023, 04:01:12 PM »
The only thing that will change the race to the bottom is a cultural change. Fast greens are en vogue, and thatís a shame. My main complaint at the Fried Egg trip to the meadow club was the ridiculousness of stimping so high on highly contoured MacKenzie greens.


Weíve already gone as far as butchering the Eden hole, itís really just shameful.


Like all the pushback to a rollback, the problem is that people actually want this nonsense, not realizing itís 50% keeping up with the oakmontís and 50% hedonic treadmill.
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Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: Putter loft and consequences
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2023, 09:27:38 PM »
With sustainability and environmental considerations becoming ever more important within the game would a minimum limit on the loft of a putter, say 5*/6* as was the case a couple of decades ago, encourage a return to higher heights of cut, less stressed putting surfaces, less required inputs, less input costs and overall better environmental and sustainability characteristics etc?
I'd just play the ball back a little and/or forward press more. This would be a terrible regulation. It'd make almost all existing putters illegal and has a relatively easy work-around.


The loft of the putter is the reaction to the green speeds, not the other way around.
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Pat Burke

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Re: Putter loft and consequences
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2023, 10:18:26 PM »
Would possibly lead to more players looking at armlock style putters, which usually require more loft to work effectively

Thomas Dai

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Re: Putter loft and consequences
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2023, 04:43:40 AM »
Now mirror the point.
Should there be a minimum height of cut?
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Kyle Harris

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Re: Putter loft and consequences
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2023, 05:48:40 AM »
Now mirror the point.
Should there be a minimum height of cut?
atb


Yikes, no.

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