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Rob Marshall

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Paspalum grass in fairways
« on: September 13, 2023, 02:30:16 PM »
Is there a grass where the ball sits up better than paspalum? Played The Rookery at Marco the last two days and itís almost impossible to hit a bad iron shot off it. Itís soft down here so there isnít much, if any roll. Playing a little long but these fairways are perfect. Not a fan of it on the greens but fairways Iíll take it all day.
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.Ē Jimmy Buffett

Tim Martin

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Re: Paspalum grass in fairways
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2023, 02:43:59 PM »
Almost Impossible to hit a poor shot off paspalum? I get the point you are trying to make but címon. :o

Wayne_Kozun

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Re: Paspalum grass in fairways
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2023, 05:18:57 PM »
itís almost impossible to hit a bad iron shot off it.
I will accept that challenge.

Rob Marshall

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Re: Paspalum grass in fairways
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2023, 05:33:11 PM »
Almost Impossible to hit a poor shot off paspalum? I get the point you are trying to make but címon. :o


I know but itís almost like the ball is on a tee. Trade off is not much roll when itís wet. Shot that kills me in Florida is a 40 yard pitch off wet grainy bermuda. No issues off this stuffÖ..
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.Ē Jimmy Buffett

Tim Martin

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Re: Paspalum grass in fairways
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2023, 07:26:18 PM »
Almost Impossible to hit a poor shot off paspalum? I get the point you are trying to make but címon. :o


I know but itís almost like the ball is on a tee. Trade off is not much roll when itís wet. Shot that kills me in Florida is a 40 yard pitch off wet grainy bermuda. No issues off this stuffÖ..


Rob-Enjoy the golf! :)

John Foley

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Re: Paspalum grass in fairways
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2023, 09:10:52 PM »
Zoysia is pretty good at that also.
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Ed Galbavy

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Re: Paspalum grass in fairways
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2023, 09:36:30 PM »
I'm not a big fan of paspalum.  It is a good surface for the coastal south.  The ball does sit up well in the fairway.  however, I feel like it is a sticky grass that the ball will tend to check up more on for hitting pitch shots.  I have a hard time figuring out grain with it.  People tell me that there is no grain with paspalum, but I beg to differ

Rob Marshall

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Re: Paspalum grass in fairways
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2023, 09:44:04 PM »
Almost Impossible to hit a poor shot off paspalum? I get the point you are trying to make but címon. :o


I know but itís almost like the ball is on a tee. Trade off is not much roll when itís wet. Shot that kills me in Florida is a 40 yard pitch off wet grainy bermuda. No issues off this stuffÖ..


Rob-Enjoy the golf! :)


Will do!
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.Ē Jimmy Buffett

Ken Moum

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Re: Paspalum grass in fairways
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2023, 04:49:48 AM »
I agree with Foley. Zoysia, at least the way it's usually managed, holds a ball up like nothing I've seen.


The problem is that it absolutely kills roll and is almost impossible to hit a little chip and run shot on.  I have seen it cut down tight enough that it plays fine but that eliminates the lies that allow people to scoop a three wood into the air.


When I played it a lot in Kansas, I was using a remote-controlled trolley and my battery would be so low coming off the 18th I had to help it across the parking lot. I played 27 holes on the same battery at my home course without a problem.
Over time, the guy in the ideal position derives an advantage, and delivering him further  advantage is not worth making the rest of the players suffer at the expense of fun, variety, and ultimately cost -- Jeff Warne, 12-08-2010

Anthony_Nysse

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Re: Paspalum grass in fairways
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2023, 06:09:32 AM »
It's very fair to think that courses that are utilizing paspalum are for reasons outside of any playability characteristics.

  More often than not, it's for the aesthetics or environmental reasons. Aesthetics reasons would include membership built on a different definition of enjoyment, home sales & gated community presence. Environmental reasons being saltwater intrusion, brackish (reclaim) water source and/or even soil conditions.
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Rob Marshall

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Re: Paspalum grass in fairways
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2023, 08:27:15 AM »
It's very fair to think that courses that are utilizing paspalum are for reasons outside of any playability characteristics.

  More often than not, it's for the aesthetics or environmental reasons. Aesthetics reasons would include membership built on a different definition of enjoyment, home sales & gated community presence. Environmental reasons being saltwater intrusion, brackish (reclaim) water source and/or even soil conditions.


Anthony, Environmental reason for sure at the Rookery. Brackish water and hurricane flooding are potential problem for sure.


Other interesting thing I see at almost every course I playi in Florida is the fight against what looks like a crabgrass that seems to jump into everything including the edges of the greens. I talked to the Super while I was playing yesterday and they are spraying it and will actually cut it out and plant sod in some area's. He told me what it was but I can't remember the name.
If life gives you limes, make margaritas.Ē Jimmy Buffett

Anthony_Nysse

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Re: Paspalum grass in fairways
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2023, 10:09:31 AM »
It's very fair to think that courses that are utilizing paspalum are for reasons outside of any playability characteristics.

  More often than not, it's for the aesthetics or environmental reasons. Aesthetics reasons would include membership built on a different definition of enjoyment, home sales & gated community presence. Environmental reasons being saltwater intrusion, brackish (reclaim) water source and/or even soil conditions.


Anthony, Environmental reason for sure at the Rookery. Brackish water and hurricane flooding are potential problem for sure.


Other interesting thing I see at almost every course I playi in Florida is the fight against what looks like a crabgrass that seems to jump into everything including the edges of the greens. I talked to the Super while I was playing yesterday and they are spraying it and will actually cut it out and plant sod in some area's. He told me what it was but I can't remember the name.


Any weed, including grassy ones can be taken out with heavy doses of table salt. I used to walk out of Publix with every 26oz salt container they had. Its the cheapest, most effective way to keep paspalum clean. 24-36 hours & its gone.
Anthony J. Nysse
Director of Golf Courses & Grounds
Apogee Club
Hobe Sound, FL

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Paspalum grass in fairways
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2023, 02:15:41 PM »
I played Paspalum in Hawaii, and the ball gladly bounded down the fairway. I played it in Florida, and the ball joyfully stopped quickly. I don't know if it had to do with location or maintenance practices. It is a joy to hit off of, even my three-wood. I like Zoysia, but it seems sticky, so the ball does not run as happily.
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