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Marty Bonnar

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2023, 05:54:35 AM »
I spent much of yesterday playing ‘Spot the GCAer’ on the telly.
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Steve Lapper

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2023, 07:53:56 AM »
Stuck at home recovering from Covid, I watched every minute.


Although a patriotic Yank, I found myself rooting for the GBI in various matches. They obviously looked more comfortable on a links course, yet they also seemed to mostly outwit our boys (save for Hagestad and maybe Suratt) in and around the greens. It almost seemed as if the US team wasn't well-prepared for the nuances of the Auld Sod. Anyone else feel similarly?  As a fan of the Old Course above all, it was easy to pull for the most thoughtfully-played and most strategic shotmaking.


I'd like to see the US team emerge the victors, so long as the matches are interesting and competitive. I do admire the fighting spirit found amidst these young lads.


I also have to ask the penultimate question. Have the local caddies, as is the custom, pushed a few quid around on the outcomes? Did it not seem that most of the Americans missed their makable putts (<15') on bad lines (aka reads)?? Over the years of playing St. Andrews, I've had amazing caddies who can navigate every inch of the place, and plenty who care only about being paid, wagering amongst themselves and getting to the pub. In the spirit of Larry David....eh...just wondering?
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Greg Hohman

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2023, 11:45:23 AM »
Peacock covered the afternoons. For me, the most enjoyable televised golf in a long while.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2023, 11:50:33 AM »
I'm really enjoying all the ground level and close up camera shots that you don't see as much in the pro game. Gives a much better sense of all the undulations and tricky shots around the greens.




Craig Sweet

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #29 on: September 03, 2023, 12:21:13 PM »
I'm with you Kalen...I can see the movement in the fairways, and the elevation changes better. I find the typical shots from 200ft high cranes paint a flat and boring landscape.


The greenness of the course helps as well.
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Michael Whitaker

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #30 on: September 04, 2023, 06:35:10 AM »
I spent much of yesterday playing ‘Spot the GCAer’ on the telly.
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Marty - we missed you. It would have been great to have you and Nancy traipsing around with us. Sean, Ward and I had loads of fun. We met up at one time or another with Oliver Baker, David McIntosh, Lynn Shackelford, Bill & Leslie Gayne, Doug Wright, JJ Shanley Michael Christensen and his mate Brian, and John VanderBort… among others. You would have had a great time!
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Marty Bonnar

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #31 on: September 04, 2023, 06:57:12 AM »
I spent much of yesterday playing ‘Spot the GCAer’ on the telly.
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Marty - we missed you. It would have been great to have you and Nancy traipsing around with us. Sean, Ward and I had loads of fun. We met up at one time or another with Oliver Baker, David McIntosh, Lynn Shackelford, Bill & Leslie Gayne, Doug Wright, JJ Shanley Michael Christensen and his mate Brian, and John VanderBort… among others. You would have had a great time!


Damn!
We did consider coming over yesterday, but decided against. The coverage on the R&A website was actually pretty good, so i just vegged out on the couch all day.
Hope you visited with Uncle Bill and had a wee dram with him.
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The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
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mike_malone

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #32 on: September 04, 2023, 04:34:37 PM »
Some reflections:


 Nae wind Nae golf
   Day 2 wind made for fun golf.


 Green Complexes
   The approaches and the putting surfaces were awesome to see in the bright sun.


 Putting matters


 #2 putting surface looks all world.
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Jason Thurman

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #33 on: September 04, 2023, 05:05:51 PM »
Agree with Mike on 2 green. That was my first thought when I saw it in person for the first time a few weeks ago.


It's such a joy to see great players take on great courses. The Walker Cup has cemented itself as the event that serves up the best version of that. And it's a little extra great to watch it played at a place I visited so recently. If part of loving The Old Course is studying it, The Walker Cup is the second-best date we've been on.


The Old Course continues to shine a path forward in the face of bifurcation's struggles. Challenge the short game and course management, use a few pinched fairways to strongly recommend a few layups (and toss in some short 4s, so that a bomber who bitches sounds insane), and do this new thing where they rake the bunkers in ways designed to dial in the challenge. If we all lean in on that concept, we might be able to resuscitate furrowing!


The concession at 16 needs to get both those kids grounded.


For starters...
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Tom_Doak

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #34 on: September 04, 2023, 05:15:14 PM »
I'm really enjoying all the ground level and close up camera shots that you don't see as much in the pro game. Gives a much better sense of all the undulations and tricky shots around the greens.


But everyone has moved to drones now . . .

Thomas Dai

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #35 on: September 05, 2023, 04:13:36 PM »
…and do this new thing where they rake the bunkers in ways designed to dial in the challenge.
Maybe instead of this new raking thing to dial in the challenge why not go back to the old thing, ie no raking? That would seem a way to dial in challenge and would do so in a no manpower needed way.
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Michael Whitaker

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2023, 02:11:24 PM »
We did consider coming over yesterday, but decided against. The coverage on the R&A website was actually pretty good, so i just vegged out on the couch all day.
Hope you visited with Uncle Bill and had a wee dram with him.
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We did drop in on Bill. I just uploaded a photo on the Memorial thread.
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Michael Whitaker

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2023, 02:15:10 PM »
TOC was in fantastic condition for this event. Absolutely beautiful links turf and greens. I'm still not crazy about the mowing lines as there are several bunkers now isolated in the rough (such as it is), but the course presented a fantastic playing surface.
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ward peyronnin

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2023, 01:12:52 PM »
I was pleasantly surprised at the many times I saw both sides choose long putts over chip/flops and how masterfully they executed those shotsWhitty was trying to recall the source of the aphorism: " The amount of joy produced by a golf shot is directly proportional to the time the ball spends on the ground" when this happeed during our round on Gullane No 3.After watching Sean and Mike lob lofted clubs at the severely downhill 16th par three playing off the dominant ridge there I pulled my putter out, placed ball on tee , and with an only modestly long swing rolled the ball to within 5 feet from 169 yds. At least a 20 second golf shot.
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JohnVDB

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2023, 02:10:39 PM »
I was pleasantly surprised at the many times I saw both sides choose long putts over chip/flops and how masterfully they executed those shotsWhitty was trying to recall the source of the aphorism: " The amount of joy produced by a golf shot is directly proportional to the time the ball spends on the ground" when this happeed during our round on Gullane No 3.After watching Sean and Mike lob lofted clubs at the severely downhill 16th par three playing off the dominant ridge there I pulled my putter out, placed ball on tee , and with an only modestly long swing rolled the ball to within 5 feet from 169 yds. At least a 20 second golf shot.



I believe it was John Kirk who came up with that aphorism.

Kalen Braley

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2023, 05:19:43 PM »
Well with a few caveats for sure.

There is certainly no joy watching your thinned 3 iron worm burner roll out 120 yards, ending up in a bunker, instead of on the green.  ;)

JohnVDB

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #41 on: September 08, 2023, 03:03:15 AM »
Well with a few caveats for sure.

There is certainly no joy watching your thinned 3 iron worm burner roll out 120 yards, ending up in a bunker, instead of on the green.  ;)


I’m sure the GB&I Walker Cupper whose tee shot on #1 kept rolling and rolling until it went into the Swilcan Burn had no joy either.

Sean_A

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #42 on: September 08, 2023, 03:08:38 AM »
I was pleasantly surprised at the many times I saw both sides choose long putts over chip/flops and how masterfully they executed those shotsWhitty was trying to recall the source of the aphorism: " The amount of joy produced by a golf shot is directly proportional to the time the ball spends on the ground" when this happeed during our round on Gullane No 3.After watching Sean and Mike lob lofted clubs at the severely downhill 16th par three playing off the dominant ridge there I pulled my putter out, placed ball on tee , and with an only modestly long swing rolled the ball to within 5 feet from 169 yds. At least a 20 second golf shot.


Rolled is a very loosely used term. Jumped, bounced and kareened is more like it.

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Mark Chaplin

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #43 on: September 08, 2023, 09:40:49 AM »
Steve Lapper I’ve been a caddie for 7 years now including a season at St Andrews and can honestly say I’ve never seen or heard of betting on games by caddies. If it was once a custom it isn’t nowadays.
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Jason Thurman

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Re: The Walker Cup, The Old Course St. Andrews
« Reply #44 on: September 08, 2023, 12:38:17 PM »
I was pleasantly surprised at the many times I saw both sides choose long putts over chip/flops and how masterfully they executed those shots


Agree here Wardo. And also, I was impressed by the pitch shots we saw from the tight links turf as well. Even those shots require plenty of consideration of ground game on a links, and playing them creates these risk/reward-in-miniature conundrums where you might be able to safely putt to within 10 feet, but can go airborne to minimize the effect of a given mound or slope.


I guess the point is that there are REAL options around the greens, and also real challenge in executing any of the given options based on the architectural hurdles in your way as a player. And I think that contrasts with the average course I play in our dear Ohio Valley, where there might be a lot of short grass around a green, but it's often not quite tight enough to really judge a putt reliably and also watered heavily in the summer to a point where pitching without chunking is awfully difficult, and so the challenge becomes this irksome matter of navigating the conditions as opposed to the really interesting dilemma of "How do I navigate these humps and hollows and other obstacles in my way?" that you see at The Old Course. The question of "Can you pitch off this soft lie to this elevated target?" that our games get asked regularly at home just isn't as interesting as the question of "How will you navigate everything going on in between your ball and the hole to get it close?" that you get asked at The Old.


Another thought... probably unrelated: it was really impressive how long and straight these guys hit it on holes like 9, 12, and 18. Felt like I hardly ever saw a ball fail to land on the fairway at 12, even though the landing zone for these youths is about 17 yards wide. And yet, those long straight shots hit right at pins still give up a big degree of control. Elite players are really good at controlling what they can control - they don't flirt with hitting trees and taking horrid bounces or that kind of thing. But they WILL give up control if you present them with upside that looks easy to take advantage of. It may still not cost them a bogey, but it's fun to watch a guy get hit with a 90 foot putt that runs straight downhill for its final 20 feet because he banged one at the 12th green mindlessly and brought the risk of the shot getting away from him into play. It's a little depressing to see how easily these guys reach these holes sometimes, but it does result in them finding some awful spots to play from that they would likely never find if they played more conservatively.
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