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Headed up there to play the course on Thursday morning. Other than Tom Doak, has anyone on this site played it yet? What are your impressions?-TS
Quote from: Ted Sturges on July 25, 2023, 10:24:17 AMHeaded up there to play the course on Thursday morning. Other than Tom Doak, has anyone on this site played it yet? What are your impressions?-TSI will be there a week from Thursday! Sorry to miss you by a week! Looking forward to it.
The greens are the crown jewel of the course...and they are REALLY FAST (already).TS
Quote from: Ted Sturges on July 30, 2023, 02:46:38 PMThe greens are the crown jewel of the course...and they are REALLY FAST (already).TSIs that a good thing ?Niall
As a set of 18 greens, they are for sure the largest I have ever seen.
Quote from: Ted Sturges on July 30, 2023, 02:46:38 PMAs a set of 18 greens, they are for sure the largest I have ever seen.Are the greens at Lido larger than those at Old Macdonald?I'll bet Tom Doak will know.WW
I too will be there next week. Also hope to play some of the Sedge Valley holes. Also looking forward to a return trip to Lawsonia and the redone bunkers.
Quote from: Jerry Kluger on August 02, 2023, 08:36:16 PMI too will be there next week. Also hope to play some of the Sedge Valley holes. Also looking forward to a return trip to Lawsonia and the redone bunkers.Only the back nine are finished.
Well, I played Lido today with three friends. I was expecting it to be good, but it was just shy of stupendous. There were half a dozen lines I could have taken off most of the tees. The bunkers are over my head deep, so if you pick a line, execute the shot. The greens have a lot of movement, but the speed was perfect for the slope. The greens were very firm, so getting close to the pin demanded a lot of imagination. A friend of mine said it was a unicorn. It is not something you see very often. I found some places that reminded me of National and other places of Chicago Golf, but mostly it is its own thing. Tom, you did a miraculous job building it. I was thinking that the movement in the fairways must have been a headache to build with all the bumps, mounds, and valleys. Well done.
A friend of mine said it was a unicorn. It is not something you see very often. I found some places that reminded me of National and other places of Chicago Golf, but mostly it is its own thing. Tom, you did a miraculous job building it.
Tom,Iím wondering what working on this project did for your appreciation of what Macdonald did in building the original Lido.What was your previous perception of the Lido? Did this project significantly increase your perception?
Quote from: Tim_Weiman on August 05, 2023, 06:00:00 PMTom,Iím wondering what working on this project did for your appreciation of what Macdonald did in building the original Lido.What was your previous perception of the Lido? Did this project significantly increase your perception?The project DID increase my perception of the Lido.I figured that a large part of the mystique about the course was that it was right on the ocean, on one side, and the Intracoastal Waterway on the other. [I am very familiar with how that changes people's perceptions.]I knew that there were a few holes at Lido that Macdonald hadn't built many versions of, and that was one of the keys to convincing him to take the project, that he could build any hole he wanted. It also included Tom Simpson's 15th hole and Alister MacKenzie's 18th hole [and some random guy's 6th hole!] from the Lido competition. But, I had no appreciation for holes like the 2nd and 5th and 7th, or for how severe the 12th was/is.How much of that would I attribute to Macdonald? I honestly don't know. I kind of doubt that C.B. had a lot more to do with the plasticine model of the course than I did with Peter Flory's computer model. But, whoever did all of the legwork to create the model they built from, most of it was inspired by Macdonald's trips to Scotland and his reflections about what holes were most worthy of imitation and what were the key elements of said holes. So it's still a Macdonald design, in my eyes. And that was fun to be a part of.I honestly didn't know when we started if the assumption that it would be a top-100 course was way off base, because it is not next to the ocean. But Chicago Golf Club is not next to the ocean, and it's rated pretty highly, and the guys from Chicago Golf who have been up there are some of Lido's biggest fans. So, either Chicago Golf Club is about to take a huge hit in the rankings, or The Lido is going to be ranked pretty highly.
I will be playing Lido Tuesday/Wednesday next week -Aug 8/9.Then racing back to Chicago to see Bruce Springsteen at Wrigley Field!
I have never played a course that required more thought and better execution. Fortunately, I hit my tee ball where I wanted it to go and got up and down 3 out of five times from green-side bunkers and was not in a fairway bunker.
I "played" it June 12...but truth of the matter (am the reason for the quotation marks) was that I only played two holes. Played with two friends, Jeff Lewis and Jeremy Brofsky. Age is getting to me and the sand surface between tees and fairway was still fairly soft (no carts were allowed as they would get bogged down in softer sections of this sand). But they came out to rescue me and then drove me around to see the layout in a maintenance 4 wheel drive cart. Based on what I saw and the very little I played, I was in awe. Fairways are just like Tom Doak described in the recent You Tube video about its creation..."rumply". Hardly a flat lie anywhere but "smoothly" rumply (in other words very different from the untamed rumply of the lies at Pennard GC in Wales. The bunkers are nothing short of frightening given their depth, placement and the angles on some of the forward walls. To be avoided at all costs.In summary I loved it. Nothing like it anywhere IMO...maybe National on steroids...but not "over the line". I will be very surprised if it is not a USA Top 25 somewhere very soon and world top 40-50 as well...real question is how long until it gets the necessary minimum number of reviews/votes.One interesting fact is that it is said they moved over 2,000,000 cubic yards of sand in building Lido. I have always had issues visualizing in three dimensions...but try this for the 2 million cu yds quantity. The original Lido was built on 130 acres (WI's is bigger to provide enough space between holes to satisfy insurance underwriters). 2.0 million cu yards spread evenly over 130 acres yields an average depth of 9'6". Amazing!!