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The acid test.It has become my favorite short par in the world.Many disagree.Discuss
Quote from: jeffwarne on March 22, 2023, 11:09:51 PMThe acid test.It has become my favorite short par in the world.Many disagree.DiscussShort par what ?Niall
It's a mountain goat tee shot up the hill, but it's a thrill to get to the top and see where your ball ended up - if you can reach the top, or beyond. A super fun hole!It's a little different to walk through the clubhouse/pro shop area and across the clubhouse entry drive/parking to get to 16-18, but overall, I find no fault with anything about Palmetto. I'd rather have that walk than to play subdivision cart golf where we cross streets multiple times per round.
15-17 at Palmetto are the three holes I think about when Iím trying to stay awake and focus on something else. Theyíre that engaging.
15 is an awkward cuss of a hole. It uses the land well, but feels hemmed in. It's short on the card, yet hard to make a four. It isn't a pretty hole, but exhibits fine playing characteristics. The one aspect which isn't well balanced is the walk to 16. At the end of the day there are many short 4s that I prefer. I am usually going to prefer the holes which aid the walking flow of a design. I think it's that important to design quality if the course is meant to be walkable. That said, whether or not my preferences are better holes is debatable.Ciao
Given that the original routing had 5 holes in the same area, I don't know what else could have been done after the par 3 9th was added. There is no suitable golfing ground to the left of 15 and relocating the clubhouse wouldn't have been a popular idea. I think were it not for the short 18th, the 15h would get a lot more praise. A hole that short requires some kind of confounding feature. I have a suspicion that the green for the original 17th was on the other side of the gully that crosses in front of it. If so, it's apparent that as much distance as possible was squeezed out of the last 4 holes.
Is 15 an original hole?Ciao
Trying to mitigate the impact of 15 I would probably be the sort that starts on 16 from the boot of the car and stops in the shop for a beverage after 18 to eventually finish on 15. Even so, 15 feels like an afterthought hole which sticks out like a sore thumb. I am not convinced it's quality justifies the awkward routing.Ciao
Quote from: Sean_A on March 25, 2023, 03:38:02 PMIs 15 an original hole?CiaoNo. In the original routing 5 holes started about where the current 15th tee is located and the looped around where the clubhouse is now located. The 14th hole (the current par 3 9th didn't exist) was a short par 3 that started near the current 15th tee and went up the hill towards the present clubhouse. 16 and 17 followed the current 17th fairway. The 18th green was located approximately in the same location as the current green but the line was probably over the back of the practice tee..
Iíll meet you halfway, Sean. I can get on board with your suggestion of ordering the course 16-18 then 1-15, but only to remove an awkward green-to-tee walk from 15 to 16. 15 is a brilliant hole and IMO completely in keeping and at ease with the other 17 holes at Palmetto.
Thanks. Interesting. Were 15-18 developed at the same time?Jeff, can't have nice things?Ciao