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cary lichtenstein

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Re: Subtle or boring
« Reply #50 on: March 07, 2023, 07:26:39 PM »
Boring
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

archie_struthers

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Re: Subtle or boring
« Reply #51 on: March 08, 2023, 07:06:35 AM »
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Hidden Creek is a nice walk in the park and an excellent golf course in many ways. So much of the difficulty is tied into the putting and mini contours on the greens, which I don't fancy that much. For that reason it doesn't come close to Galloway as the nicest course here at the  Jersey Shore.  Top tier yes , but Galloway stands out. 


Perhaps the poster may have considered it boring because there is so little pressure on the tee ball.

Thomas Dai

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Re: Subtle or boring
« Reply #52 on: March 08, 2023, 07:17:02 AM »
Folks playing links course for the first time, especially if it's a particularly flat portion of links, have been heard to remark something along the lines of "There's nothing to aim at!". Too subtle? Boring?
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Matt MacIver

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Re: Subtle or boring
« Reply #53 on: March 08, 2023, 09:30:13 PM »
As far as links go, Troon for the most part is fairly flat especially the first and last six holes, but there are several preferred angles to play to (based on firmness and pin placements) that I think it moves it from boring to subtle.


Iíve not played Dornoch ó is it subtle?   

Tom_Doak

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Re: Subtle or boring
« Reply #54 on: March 09, 2023, 06:06:05 PM »
As far as links go, Troon for the most part is fairly flat especially the first and last six holes, but there are several preferred angles to play to (based on firmness and pin placements) that I think it moves it from boring to subtle.

Iíve not played Dornoch ó is it subtle?


The wind at Troon has never been subtle when I was there!  [And also, calling the 13th hole "flat" is a mind-bender.]


Dornoch has subtlety in its putting surfaces, but in general the course has quite a bit of movement and more elevation change than most links.  The elevation changes also make it pretty, which is why Americans rate it higher than the Scots do.

Matt MacIver

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Re: Subtle or boring
« Reply #55 on: March 11, 2023, 07:00:28 AM »
Thanks Tom - my one round at Troon Iím guessing the wind was ďaverageĒ, so it didnít feel windy to us. And re the 13th maybe I got ahead of myself and was thinking a few holes beyond it, maybe just the last few finishing holes. 


And good to know Dornoch has that much elevation change, I donít see if from pictures much like folks say about ANGC, need a visit to confirm!

Ian Andrew

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Re: Subtle or boring
« Reply #56 on: March 11, 2023, 06:13:40 PM »
We feel what we feel. Someoneís subtle (and brilliant) is another personís dull and uninteresting layout. We all react to the stimulation differently. The person who feels underwhelmed isn't wrong, or right, it's just how they feel. We all see the same things through different perceptions.
 
Food for thought: It's a far safer approach to do paint the entire canvas and clarify the composition, than it is to use fewer brush strokes and rely on the viewers ability to interpret your intent.
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Subtle or boring
« Reply #57 on: March 12, 2023, 03:07:07 AM »
We feel what we feel. Someoneís subtle (and brilliant) is another personís dull and uninteresting layout. We all react to the stimulation differently. The person who feels underwhelmed isn't wrong, or right, it's just how they feel. We all see the same things through different perceptions.
 
Food for thought: It's a far safer approach to do paint the entire canvas and clarify the composition, than it is to use fewer brush strokes and rely on the viewers ability to interpret your intent.


Except that when you paint the entire canvas, it is obvious that you are dealing with a creation rather than a natural landscape, no matter how good that painting is.


(Which of course gets back to your first point. Thatís MY reaction and perception. Others may be different.)


For me, it doesnít matter how skilled the designer and builder are, if theyíve touched the entire 150 / 200 / 300 acres that encompass the whole golf course, Iím going to feel like Iím playing in a created playground more than Iím going to feel part of nature. That perception is likely reduced as time moves on: Is a 100 year old created landscape still created or has it now become the natural landscape?

Thomas Dai

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Re: Subtle or boring
« Reply #58 on: March 12, 2023, 04:06:50 AM »
Golf within nature rather than golf supplanting nature?
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