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Charlie Goerges

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Re: Golf Fertilizer Pollution
« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2023, 10:14:17 AM »
Charlie,
I could go on the longest of diatribes about this topic of sustainability and have somewhat here in the past. I think I’ve wore folks out with it and I’ll sit this one out. Bottom line is we need to do better if we are to guarantee the future survival of the sport in some kind of form in which we are accustomed to. Not just turf managers, but everyone under the golf umbrella from the public golfers, private members, architects and their clients, pros, GM’s, and anyone else you want to throw in there that’s either directly or tangentially involved with golf.




That's all fair enough. I agree about a concerted effort by everyone, which is why I am looking for some discussion of the topic.
Severally on the occasion of everything that thou doest, pause and ask thyself, if death is a dreadful thing because it deprives thee of this. - Marcus Aurelius

Max Prokopy

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Re: Golf Fertilizer Pollution
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2023, 12:19:41 PM »



These numbers would continue to trend down rapidly with industry adoption of improved fertilizer recommendations, which are readily available for implementation. Hurdle is that people refuse to except the data and rely on outdated and wasteful methods of nutrient management. So, while we are trending downward it may not be fast enough.


N and P are the two elements of concern when talking about water quality. There are no federal drinking water standards for K.



Trending down fast enough for what?  Innovations keep on coming.  People may be slower to adapt/adopt but the "market" tends to sort itself out. 

John Emerson

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Re: Golf Fertilizer Pollution
« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2023, 01:05:47 PM »



These numbers would continue to trend down rapidly with industry adoption of improved fertilizer recommendations, which are readily available for implementation. Hurdle is that people refuse to except the data and rely on outdated and wasteful methods of nutrient management. So, while we are trending downward it may not be fast enough.


N and P are the two elements of concern when talking about water quality. There are no federal drinking water standards for K.



Trending down fast enough for what?  Innovations keep on coming.  People may be slower to adapt/adopt but the "market" tends to sort itself out.


To appease the powers that be (EPA USDA etc) before they administer more regulations that are extremely detrimental to the turfgrass industry as a whole. Waiting for the market to “sort itself out” is not an option
“There’s links golf, then everything else.”

Max Prokopy

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Re: Golf Fertilizer Pollution
« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2023, 04:05:26 PM »



These numbers would continue to trend down rapidly with industry adoption of improved fertilizer recommendations, which are readily available for implementation. Hurdle is that people refuse to except the data and rely on outdated and wasteful methods of nutrient management. So, while we are trending downward it may not be fast enough.


N and P are the two elements of concern when talking about water quality. There are no federal drinking water standards for K.



Trending down fast enough for what?  Innovations keep on coming.  People may be slower to adapt/adopt but the "market" tends to sort itself out.


To appease the powers that be (EPA USDA etc) before they administer more regulations that are extremely detrimental to the turfgrass industry as a whole. Waiting for the market to “sort itself out” is not an option


Applying pressure to an industry can help it flourish.  Perhaps the industry needs to improve.  I am not a huge fan of bureaucracy but humans aren't the only part of this equation and won't self-regulate in that regard.  An alternative is that golf (in pristine conditions) becomes more expensive, or Americans might start to better appreciate browner grasses at certain times of the year. 


It's not obvious that "detrimental" to a segment is detrimental to the game or its environs. 

David_Tepper

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Re: Golf Fertilizer Pollution
« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2023, 05:27:37 PM »

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