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Here's a summer 1914 ad noting 18 holes. It would appear the contraction of the course to 9 holes took place between then and the 1915 season.June 28, 1914 Washington Post -
There was massive flooding in Pennsylvania in the summer of 1915, called the worst flood on record. Perhaps it was the low lying holes that went out of service, and the higher ones remained in play. Who knows.
Mike:There's no evidence that Barker drew that map or used a topographical map to design the course. Bedford Springs used a guy named Martin Roudabush to survey the site in connection with the construction of the course. Roudabush was hired in 1910, after Barker was there to design the course. The map may be entirely his creation.Let's not jump to conclusions here, again.Sven
Quote from: Sven Nilsen on December 27, 2022, 12:26:01 PMColumbia CC -I'm not going to delve into this one too much as the history of Columbia has been covered in great detail around here. The early press reports from Aug. 1909 on note (a) a Barker layout or (b) a Barker and Ross layout with Travis involved later on.By the sounds of the article below, it doesn't appear that Travis had seen the land prior to the layout being completed.Oct. 26, 1909 Washington Times - Columbia Country Club - While I'm still digging a bit deeper, it does seem the close friendship between Travis and Dr. Walter Harban, as well as his close relationships with Barker and Donald Ross makes this a natural collaborative effort. Why else would it be news that Travis stopped by to survey the property for two days seeing what had been done to date in the fall of 1909 (likely simply a staked out and/or mapped out course at that point as the course didn't open until it did in stages during the summer of 1911) if not to provide his design input and blessing?Another article I'm in possession of that I'm still trying to source states the following;"Dr. L. Lee Harban, a prominent player of the Columbia Country Club, has the following to say of the work that has been done and is being done at the club. "The Columbia Country Club, when completed, will be one of the finest in this part of the country. The work of laying out the links has been approved by W. S. (sic) Travis and other prominent authorities on golf."
Columbia CC -I'm not going to delve into this one too much as the history of Columbia has been covered in great detail around here. The early press reports from Aug. 1909 on note (a) a Barker layout or (b) a Barker and Ross layout with Travis involved later on.By the sounds of the article below, it doesn't appear that Travis had seen the land prior to the layout being completed.Oct. 26, 1909 Washington Times -
Show me when Travis was in Cleveland and Youngstown and we can start to have that conversation.
In May of 1909 Walter Travis was in Maryland playing at Chevy Chase and the original Columbia golf course from 5/14 through 5/17, returning again to Chevy Chase on 6/13. Given his close friendship with Dr. Harban, it seems unlikely that he was viewing the property of the new course for Columbia in October as the article above implies.
However, in 1909 he traveled to Chicago (which would have passed in the proximity of both Youngstown and Cleveland (as well as Detroit & Skokie traveling west) where he played from 9/6 through 9/9.
Mike,I should mention one of the reasons Macdonald hired an engineer (Raynor) for NGLA was because no one else knew how to read a topographic map and all of Macdonaldís plans from overseas were drawn on topo maps by surveyors. If Travis knew how to read a topo map in 1906 they probably wouldnít have needed to hire Raynor?I think all of these guys knew the value of a topographic map, but they didnít necessarily know how to read them, including Macdonald.Bret