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Quote from: MCirba on January 08, 2023, 08:46:46 AM One also needs to consider that Walter Travis at this time was the greatest amateur golfer in the world ?
One also needs to consider that Walter Travis at this time was the greatest amateur golfer in the world
Atlantic City CC - I'm guessing here that Barker was involved when mentions of the changes started appearing in the press in early 1909. Although I have seen no mention of Travis being connected with the actual work, it would make sense.Jan. 1909 Golf Magazine - Sept. 1909 American Golfer -
Waverley CC - How Barker received this commission from across the country remains a matter of speculation, but I'd doubt that Travis had anything to do with the work that actually done while Barker was in Portland.May 1909 American Golfer - [Also see the Sept. 1909 American Golfer article above.]
Spokane CC - A similar story to Waverley.March 6, 1909 Spokane Press -
CC of Virginia - Another one where I have seen no Travis involvement.March 1909 American Golfer -April 1909 Golf Magazine - April 25, 1909 The Times Dispatch -
Rumson CC - Rumson is a bit of a confusing story. If anyone has additional source material here (or on any of the other courses), please feel free to add it in. At first, the course was to be laid out by Willie Norton.Dec. 1908 Golf Magazine - By the Spring of 1909, Barker was noted as the architect.May 1909 American Golfer -Reports from a couple of years later muddy the waters a bit.Feb. 25, 1911 Brooklyn Times-Union - March 25, 1911 Brooklyn Life - April 23, 1911 Washington Post -
Columbia CC -I'm not going to delve into this one too much as the history of Columbia has been covered in great detail around here. The early press reports from Aug. 1909 on note (a) a Barker layout or (b) a Barker and Ross layout with Travis involved later on.By the sounds of the article below, it doesn't appear that Travis had seen the land prior to the layout being completed.Oct. 26, 1909 Washington Times -
Why else would it be news that Travis stopped by to survey the property for two days seeing what had been done to date in the fall of 1909 ... if not to provide his design input and blessing?
Quote from: MCirba on January 10, 2023, 04:02:22 PMWhy else would it be news that Travis stopped by to survey the property for two days seeing what had been done to date in the fall of 1909 ... if not to provide his design input and blessing?There are over 4,000 hit on newspapers.com for "Walter Travis" and "W. J. Travis" in 1909. Pretty sure they would have reported on the color of his underwear if the information was available.
The vast majority are tournament results repeated in various papees across the country. Can't say I've seen underwear.
March 1924 Golf Illustrated -
Sven,That would refer to Garden City Country Club, not Golf Club. Thanks
Quote from: MCirba on January 11, 2023, 11:01:32 AMSven,That would refer to Garden City Country Club, not Golf Club. ThanksMy bad. The point remains that he listed Columbia as a remodel.
Arcola CC -Barker was undoubtedly referred to Arcola by Travis, and it appears that Travis held a supervisory role on this project. How involved he was remains unclear.Sept. 11, 1909 The Record - Dec. 18, 1909 Brooklyn Times-Union -Jan. 28, 1911 Brooklyn Times-Union -
Arcola - This one really gets to the heart of questions about what the working, professional relationship actually was between the two men at that time and why Travis had "supervisory" authority over Barker in their arrangement, whether in the initial planning, the "review" of the work once in progress and or completed, and so forth. I agree, it shows, similar to Columbia and other projects, a simple process. Travis recommends Barker, Barker does the work, Travis reviews when completed giving his blessing. As the Dec. 18, 1909 article spells out, the actual work on site was being done by Barker. I'm sure the two men discussed the projects that Barker took on, but Barker was always the guy in the field figuring out what the land was going to allow.Were the men working from topographical maps? If Travis had been informed by his involvement at NGLA, as he should have been, then topos would be invaluable. Certainly some of the specific details of the Arcola property listed in the article would indicate they did.Until we have anything that says that Travis actually participated in the planning of the course, can we try to avoid language that insinuates that he did. Barker's work began in late 1909 and it wasn't until the late autumn of 1911 that the course had what was likely a "soft opening", probably with only certain holes open. This indicates to me a lengthy process and in one article I came across the club officials indicated getting additional viewpoints during construction, such that the course ended up being about 400 yards longer than Barker/Travis's initial plans. Arcola was not a simple build. There were acres of forests that had to be cleared, and swamps and bogs that had to be filled in. Most of the clearing, plowing and seeding was done in the summer and fall of 1910. It is no surprise that it took a while. The lengthening of certain holes was done by the club's committee, as reported in 1910. From the get go, the club viewed the initial lay out as somewhat temporary, as they had the idea of developing additional holes in the unimproved portions of their property at a later date.One thing that strikes me in many of these articles, including Travis's American Golfer, is how Barker was being promoted as "the best man in the country" for the work of laying out courses as early as 1909. From my understanding, other than the changes they implemented together (under Travis's direction) at Garden City, not a single golf course "laid out" by Barker was even open by that time. This is an interesting point, and it says something that Barker was able to produce work that lived up to those lofty claims. I doubt Travis (and perhaps CBM and HW and others) would have been recommending Barker for projects if they themselves didn't believe those claims. And it makes you wonder who else (other than Bendelow, Ross and perhaps a couple of other guys) were positioned to do what Barker was doing. There were very few "professional" architects in the U.S. at this time and many of them were hamstrung to a certain region. Barker really seems to have capitalized on a void that existed, and with his advertising and willingness to travel put himself (with perhaps a good bit of assistance from others) on the map at a speed that seems hard to comprehend.