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John Kavanaugh

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Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« on: December 07, 2022, 10:03:37 AM »
The RTA holds a photo contest every year and I am always surprised that Iíve never seen a photo of a Dye course submitted. As I witness the Dye legacy being railroaded into submission I have to question if his visuals appeal to the modern eye. So, just for giggles - please post your best photos of a Pete Dye course below and we can judge for ourselves.


If this thread stays inside the rails perhaps we can even submit a winning entry in this most prestigious contest:



https://www.rta.org/photo-contest







Keith Williams

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2022, 10:07:46 AM »
Don't have any of my own pics, but The Honors Course is extremely photogenic.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2022, 10:10:44 AM »
Don't have any of my own pics, but The Honors Course is extremely photogenic.


Maybe in Fall at best.

Ben Stephens

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2022, 10:11:43 AM »
Golf Club - surely it has some photogenic holes


John Kavanaugh

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2022, 10:13:56 AM »
Golf Club - surely it has some photogenic holes


Some of those photos will get you rightfully canceled.

Tim Martin

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2022, 10:35:16 AM »
Kiawah Ocean and Teeth of the Dog would have to be in the running no?

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2022, 10:52:52 AM »
RIP Mike Vegis. I don't recall seeing a picture of Kiawah Island and thinking that I got to get there.

Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2022, 11:24:48 AM »
Does anyone have the timeline on Pete and railroad ties? I remember him telling me that everyone associated him with their use, but that he really gave those up pretty early.


If he had started his career in the era where concrete ties replaced the old creosote covered wood ties, his courses would be less photogenic than they were......but the ties would never need replacing as happened on some of his courses (and on many railroads) Besides, I think enviro reggies have probably relegated those creosote covered ties to the dustbin of history for use as landscape walls of any kind.


Honestly, the bulk of his aesthetics, IMHO, came from the shadow patterns created by steep banks, whether tie covered or grass covered.
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Richard Hetzel

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2022, 11:56:21 AM »
PB Dye Golf Club in Maryland. Not Pete, but PB. Close enough.



Played here back in June. Liberal use of RR ties in some spots.
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Eisenhower Lakes (GA)
Augusta Municipal (GA)
Foresthills GC (GA)
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Richard Hetzel

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2022, 11:58:29 AM »
More PB. Urbana CC (Ohio).



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Foresthills GC (GA)
Noble Hawk Links (IN)
Sequoyah National GC (NC)

Keith Williams

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2022, 12:23:30 PM »
Don't have any of my own pics, but The Honors Course is extremely photogenic.


Maybe in Fall at best.


Malarkey Jaka, look no further than Ran's profile here.

John Kavanaugh

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Matt_Cohn

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2022, 01:11:20 PM »



14 at PGA West Stadium. My understanding is that it would look a lot different now with many of those trees removed.

Ira Fishman

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2022, 01:30:20 PM »
Blackwolf Run River has a number of beautiful holes, but only one with railroad ties if memory serves, so the course probably is not eligible for the contest that JK premised the thread upon.

Kalen Braley

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2022, 01:31:57 PM »
Interesting Whistling Straights hasn't been mentioned yet.  I've long felt its his most visually appealing course....

Tom_Doak

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2022, 01:33:08 PM »
John:


I don't have any photos to post right now, although I do have some very good helicopter shots of Casa de Campo from when Mr. Dye sent me there in 1985.


Photogenic is in the eye of the beholder.  I can't say that I ever heard Pete talk about rearranging a hole or rebuilding a bunker to make it prettier, but I did hear him talk a lot about how he used different grasses with contrasting colors and textures for the fairways and roughs, to make the features stand out more.

Thomas Dai

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2022, 02:00:22 PM »
Courses in locations where the sun is more likely to shine are usually more photogenic than locations that suffer more dark and gloomy days especially if thereís water and sand on-site or adjacent.
Atb

Tom_Doak

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2022, 02:02:30 PM »
Does anyone have the timeline on Pete and railroad ties? I remember him telling me that everyone associated him with their use, but that he really gave those up pretty early.

If he had started his career in the era where concrete ties replaced the old creosote covered wood ties, his courses would be less photogenic than they were......but the ties would never need replacing as happened on some of his courses (and on many railroads) Besides, I think enviro reggies have probably relegated those creosote covered ties to the dustbin of history for use as landscape walls of any kind.





Jeff:


I am pretty sure the first course where Pete used railroad ties was The Golf Club, the second course he built after coming back from his Scottish tour with Alice, in 1966-67.  [He had built the back nine at Crooked Stick in between, but he didn't add the railroad ties until after he'd done it in Columbus.]  I heard someone at Crooked Stick say this summer that Pete found out that the largest company that was rebuilding railroad tracks was in Indianapolis, and he convinced the guy to give him "factory seconds" for like $1 each.


He used them though the TPC at Sawgrass and Long Cove, when I was working for the Dyes, but at PGA West they used rock walls instead, as Pete was becoming sick of hearing about the railroad ties instead of the golf holes they were used on.  I don't think he used any on The Honors Course [right after Long Cove] either . . . that was 1983.


After that, Pete went a long time without doing any railroad ties, although his sons started doing their own work with lots of them, and other architects had started using them, so no one really noticed that Pete had stopped.[/right]

Matt Kardash

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2022, 08:51:06 PM »
Pete Dye golf club is very photogenic is you ask me
https://images.app.goo.gl/Di2dSYEjFJ9EZJiy8
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2022, 09:41:15 PM »
Pete Dye golf club is very photogenic is you ask me
https://images.app.goo.gl/Di2dSYEjFJ9EZJiy8


No argument on that one.

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2022, 11:27:13 PM »
If you did not bother to look at the link in post #1, the RTA is about railway ties, so you need some wood in your images.
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Mark Kiely

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2022, 11:28:29 PM »
At the risk of increasing greens fees 20 percent, here are some California desert Pete Dye course photos I consider very photogenic:


Par-5 15th at Rancho del Sol (formerly Moreno Valley Ranch)
2022-12-07_08-13-17 by Mark, on Flickr

Par-3 16th at Rancho del Sol
2022-12-07_08-12-32 by Mark, on Flickr

Par 3 at La Quinta (Dunes)
2022-12-07_08-08-18 by Mark, on Flickr

Par 5 at Mission Hills CC (Pete Dye Challenge Course)
2022-12-07_08-07-53 by Mark, on Flickr

Par-5 15th at La Quinta Resort (Mountain)
2022-12-07_08-00-06 by Mark, on Flickr

Par-3 4th at PGA West (Stadium)
2022-12-07_08-21-10 by Mark, on Flickr

Par-3 17th at PGA West (Stadium)
2022-12-07_08-23-02 by Mark, on Flickr
My golf course photo albums on Flickr: https://goo.gl/dWPF9z

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2022, 11:34:00 PM »
If you did not bother to look at the link in post #1, the RTA is about railway ties, so you need some wood in your images.


RoMo,


For one, after reviewing the posts above I doubt the RTA wants to advertise that chemically treated ties are embedded in nature across the country.

John Kavanaugh

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #23 on: December 08, 2022, 12:26:03 AM »
Mark,


Thanks for the pictures. Those are some honest photos. Love the technique.

Mark Kiely

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Re: Did Pete Dye design photogenic courses?
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2022, 01:51:31 AM »
A few from Paiute (Snow Mountain) in Vegas:
2022-02-12_03-14-32 by Mark, on Flickr

2022-02-12_03-18-07 by Mark, on Flickr

2022-02-12_03-19-40 by Mark, on Flickr

2022-02-12_03-20-29 by Mark, on Flickr

2022-02-12_03-20-48 by Mark, on Flickr
My golf course photo albums on Flickr: https://goo.gl/dWPF9z

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