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Bruce Wellmon

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2022, 03:28:36 PM »
Isn't Wannamoisett something like 98 acres?
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Sean_A

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2022, 02:27:53 AM »
Can anyone measure Cleeve Hill. It feels massive.

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Peter Ferlicca

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2022, 07:24:18 AM »
Phoenix Country Club is 99 acres.  You can feel it too when playing, it always seems like you have balls flying all around you.  My least favorite parkland design in the Phoenix area.  It just got approved for a renovation though, Andy Staples will come in and put his touch on it so that should be exciting. 
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2022, 01:39:24 PM »
Quote from: Sean_A on November 30, 2022, 02:27:53 AM
Can anyone measure Cleeve Hill. It feels massive.

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Hey Sean,

I took a stab at it, (as a side note it clearly lands in my top 5 of "most difficult courses to figure out the routing" category)  ;D

It looks like:

- The property sits on roughly 230 acres. (Just a basic guess, near impossible to tell where the property boundaries are)
- The course corridors occupying about 160 of that.

P.S.  Is 13 green set in between a couple of old moats? Trippy if so.
« Last Edit: November 30, 2022, 01:46:21 PM by Kalen Braley »
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Bill Crane

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2022, 02:12:36 PM »
Home club Springdale GC in Princeton NJ is on a compact piece of land.  It has become clear that a narrow gauge railway that existed in 1900 was perceived as a barrier and hemmed in the footprint despite ample land on the other side.

Did a quick calculation on Google Eagle and it rounds up to 108 acres.    Likely that the footprint of the actual course not including range, clubhouse and parking is no more than 110 acres.

I like to point out that Hugh Wilson played his college golf at Springdale while at Princeton and joined our greens committee when Willie Dunn, Jr. did the lay out when we moved the course to it's current site.  Wm Flynn did a re-design in 1926.   Perhaps there is a similarity to Merion in the small footprint, although I hesitate to use that comparison.
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Sean_A

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2022, 03:27:01 PM »
Quote from: Kalen Braley on November 30, 2022, 01:39:24 PM
Quote from: Sean_A on November 30, 2022, 02:27:53 AM
Can anyone measure Cleeve Hill. It feels massive.

Ciao


Hey Sean,

I took a stab at it, (as a side note it clearly lands in my top 5 of "most difficult courses to figure out the routing" category)  ;D

It looks like:

- The property sits on roughly 230 acres. (Just a basic guess, near impossible to tell where the property boundaries are)
- The course corridors occupying about 160 of that.

P.S.  Is 13 green set in between a couple of old moats? Trippy if so.

Thanks. I think you are right in trying to figure out the size of the course because so much unused land sits between holes....count it or not? The site feels immense when there. The 13th green sits in an Iron Age fort.

Ciao
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Stephen Britton

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #31 on: December 01, 2022, 08:42:22 AM »
Rolling Road GC, Catonsville MD, 1919 Willie Park Jr, 100 acres 6174 yard par 70.
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James Reader

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #32 on: December 01, 2022, 11:03:47 AM »
Three courses I’ve played recently - Formby Ladies is c.86 acres; Fortrose & Rosemarkie c.83 acres; Stonehaven c.71 acres (and that includes the railway line!).
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Tony_Muldoon

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #33 on: December 01, 2022, 11:54:00 AM »
Curious about Rye? Can seem very crowded on a foursomes day.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #34 on: December 01, 2022, 03:54:43 PM »
Quote from: Tony_Muldoon on December 01, 2022, 11:54:00 AM

Curious about Rye? Can seem very crowded on a foursomes day.

Tony,

Assuming you're talking about Rye in England, AND  if I figured the routing correctly, I came up with just over 100 acres, including the clubhouse and car park. (It looks like they have 13 additional holes on the southern part of the property, which I didn't include in this figure)
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Max Prokopy

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2022, 03:56:32 PM »
Wannamoisett is 104 acres, just a tad over but has to be the best small course I've been lucky enough to see. 


On the other end, Yale feels massive. 
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Tony_Muldoon

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2022, 04:03:14 PM »
Quote from: Kalen Braley on December 01, 2022, 03:54:43 PM
Quote from: Tony_Muldoon on December 01, 2022, 11:54:00 AM

Curious about Rye? Can seem very crowded on a foursomes day.

Tony,

Assuming you're talking about Rye in England, AND  if I figured the routing correctly, I came up with just over 100 acres, including the clubhouse and car park. (It looks like they have 13 additional holes on the southern part of the property, which I didn't include in this figure)


Well done Kalen. Thanks. Yes the other !3 are the Jubilee.


The wild bits of the ridges are unplayable, plus the lake makes it tight.
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Paul Jones

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2022, 08:31:27 PM »
I played Memphis CC this year and the caddie told me that the course is 98 acres.


I am pretty sure New Orleans CC and Metairie are <100 also...
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Sandy Smith

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #38 on: January 08, 2023, 01:44:46 AM »
Marine Drive GC in Vancouver is on 87 acres. A AV Macan design with resent work byJim Urbina. Maybe the easiest walk in golf. 
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John Crowley

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #39 on: January 08, 2023, 12:19:44 PM »
Quote from: David_Tepper on November 28, 2022, 09:06:01 AM
This topic gets discussed here every once in a while:

https://www.linksmagazine.com/10-great-18-hole-courses-on-fewer-than-100-acres?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=insider11.28.22


David,
I played Bangalore GC in 1994. As an unaccompanied guest I was required to employ a caddie AND a forecaddie.
The club logo is a crow with a golf ball in its beak. The forecaddie runs to you ball and guards it until you arrive. On one of my drives the forecaddie was late and a crow scooped up the ball and flew it back to its nearby nest.
As I recall the caddie fee was approximately $1.00.
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Jeff_Mingay

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #40 on: January 08, 2023, 12:27:51 PM »
Quote from: Sandy Smith on January 08, 2023, 01:44:46 AM
Marine Drive GC in Vancouver is on 87 acres. A AV Macan design with resent work byJim Urbina. Maybe the easiest walk in golf.


Aside from all of those trees that are in the way, Sandy  ;D
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Edward Glidewell

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #41 on: January 08, 2023, 12:32:03 PM »
Caledonia (the Mike Strantz course) has to be close to this number in terms of the actual golf acreage, although I don't know if it's under 100. I think the whole property is only about 130 acres and some of that is the clubhouse and a large pond.
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Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #42 on: January 08, 2023, 06:12:38 PM »
Quote from: Edward Glidewell on January 08, 2023, 12:32:03 PM
Caledonia (the Mike Strantz course) has to be close to this number in terms of the actual golf acreage, although I don't know if it's under 100. I think the whole property is only about 130 acres and some of that is the clubhouse and a large pond.
Seems to be about 135 acres.




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Edward Glidewell

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #43 on: January 08, 2023, 07:21:15 PM »
Right, I said the whole site was roughly 130 acres.

Upthread some people were breaking it down by the acreage actually used by golf holes, which is less than the whole site considering the water throughout the middle of the property and the clubhouse/parking area.

I think the course itself is still over 100 acres, but probably not by too much.
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Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #44 on: January 08, 2023, 07:25:14 PM »
Quote from: Edward Glidewell on January 08, 2023, 07:21:15 PM
Right, I said the whole site was roughly 130 acres.

Upthread some people were breaking it down by the acreage actually used by golf holes, which is less than the whole site considering the water throughout the middle of the property and the clubhouse/parking area.

I think the course itself is still over 100 acres, but probably not by too much.
I know. I'm giving some answers. The site is nearly 140 acres (138 acres in the photo, and that's cutting off a bit near the streets). It's not all that close to 100 acres as the clubhouse and parking lot are not 40 or even 30 acres. And… water counts; it's in play.

I love Caledonia, and it's a small site, but it's not all that close to < 100 acres.
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Mike_Young

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #45 on: January 08, 2023, 07:29:08 PM »
I think the Everglades Club is well under 100 acres.
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #46 on: January 08, 2023, 07:43:36 PM »
Quote from: Stephen Britton on December 01, 2022, 08:42:22 AM
Rolling Road GC, Catonsville MD, 1919 Willie Park Jr, 100 acres 6174 yard par 70.


Yes! (and I think it is well under 100 acres).
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Tim Martin

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #47 on: January 08, 2023, 07:44:54 PM »
The NLE Metacomet in East Providence, RI sat on 105 acres. A terrific routing and set of holes.
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Edward Glidewell

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #48 on: January 08, 2023, 09:35:44 PM »
Anything in Pinehurst fit the bill?

My guess is Mid Pines and Southern Pines are close, but probably more like 110 acres.
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Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: Fewer Than 100 Acres
« Reply #49 on: January 08, 2023, 09:45:19 PM »
Quote from: Edward Glidewell on January 08, 2023, 09:35:44 PM
Anything in Pinehurst fit the bill?

My guess is Mid Pines and Southern Pines are close, but probably more like 110 acres.
Southern Pines is about 128. https://share.getcloudapp.com/5zu2LLmQ Mid Pines is about 124. https://share.getcloudapp.com/ApueJJnY
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