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cary lichtenstein

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Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« on: October 31, 2022, 01:39:55 PM »
I would have liked to see the LIV televised to see the finals play out. Dustin Johnson for 5 months work made $35m+his $125 signing bonus. I bet some of the other top 20 players that did not sign on, are pretty envious today although they would never admit it to the press for publication. He made roughly $75m on the PGA tour and has now doubled that.


Regardless of whatever you think about LIV, Saudi Arabia, that's a lot of doe ray me.
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Rob Marshall

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2022, 01:49:14 PM »
I would have liked to see the LIV televised to see the finals play out. Dustin Johnson for 5 months work made $35m+his $125 signing bonus. I bet some of the other top 20 players that did not sign on, are pretty envious today although they would never admit it to the press for publication. He made roughly $75m on the PGA tour and has now doubled that.


Regardless of whatever you think about LIV, Saudi Arabia, that's a lot of doe ray me.


For some players itís not about the money or at least not all about the money.
"I used to get pissed at blowing leads until I quit having them" John Kavanaugh

Brad Tufts

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2022, 03:00:23 PM »
The $ does nothing for me excitement-wise.  I don't see myself caring about LIV until they are the dominant golf entity or gain some historical relevance, which seems years away, and/or impossible.


These days I have a tough time sitting down for any period of time and watching golf, or most other sports.  Hockey seems to be the only sport that is watchable in the regular season for me.


I do follow sports closely online...but there are just too many other things to do than watching TV when it's nice out.
So I jump ship in Hong Kong....

Edward Glidewell

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2022, 03:40:58 PM »
I'm not sure that's accurate -- I know there were rumblings that for at least some players, all winnings were offset against their original guarantee.


If that's the case for Dustin Johnson, none of the $35m is additional money he actually won; it just comes out of the $125m he was paid to sign up.


Not that $125m isn't plenty of cash on its own.

Tim Martin

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2022, 04:21:26 PM »
The PGA Tour is playing hardball with Dechambeau and Watson over PIP payments that were due from 2021. Does anyone think they will balk or find a loophole with pension payouts? I donít see how they could claw back the self funded portions.

Jake McCarty

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2022, 04:36:24 PM »
DJ has been nice to my twelve year old son on several occasions and he spent some time chatting with him during the tournament (we just had grounds tickets, too). It was his favorite tournament this past year and we were fortunate to have gone to the masters, Ryder, the British open and the players all in the last 12 months.

Just figured I'd share the opinion of my son.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2022, 04:44:04 PM by Jake McCarty »

Sean_A

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2022, 04:47:53 PM »
I'm not sure that's accurate -- I know there were rumblings that for at least some players, all winnings were offset against their original guarantee.


If that's the case for Dustin Johnson, none of the $35m is additional money he actually won; it just comes out of the $125m he was paid to sign up.


Not that $125m isn't plenty of cash on its own.

But you don't know?

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Sean_A

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2022, 04:51:46 PM »
I would have liked to see the LIV televised to see the finals play out. Dustin Johnson for 5 months work made $35m+his $125 signing bonus. I bet some of the other top 20 players that did not sign on, are pretty envious today although they would never admit it to the press for publication. He made roughly $75m on the PGA tour and has now doubled that.


Regardless of whatever you think about LIV, Saudi Arabia, that's a lot of doe ray me.

For some players itís not about the money or at least not all about the money.

It's money first and foremost. No money means a different career. Let's be honest.

Ciao
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Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2022, 04:54:42 PM »
Does anyone think they will balk or find a loophole with pension payouts?
No. IANAL, but I think they'd be wary of getting themselves into that type of legal battle.

It's money first and foremost. No money means a different career. Let's be honest.
But the choice isn't "no money" or "LIV money." The choice is millions of dollars versus more millions of dollars, even if you restrict it to just talking about the money and ignore the other "things" that matter.
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Tim Martin

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2022, 05:12:05 PM »
Does anyone think they will balk or find a loophole with pension payouts?
No. IANAL, but I think they'd be wary of getting themselves into that type of legal battle.

It's money first and foremost. No money means a different career. Let's be honest.
But the choice isn't "no money" or "LIV money." The choice is millions of dollars versus more millions of dollars, even if you restrict it to just talking about the money and ignore the other "things" that matter.


Big difference between playing for and earning millions of dollars versus ďguaranteedĒ millions of dollars for showing up.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2022, 05:14:35 PM by Tim Martin »

Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2022, 05:27:20 PM »
Big difference between playing for and earning millions of dollars versus ďguaranteedĒ millions of dollars for showing up.
I didn't say otherwise.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
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Sean_A

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2022, 05:59:47 PM »
Does anyone think they will balk or find a loophole with pension payouts?
No. IANAL, but I think they'd be wary of getting themselves into that type of legal battle.

It's money first and foremost. No money means a different career. Let's be honest.
But the choice isn't "no money" or "LIV money." The choice is millions of dollars versus more millions of dollars, even if you restrict it to just talking about the money and ignore the other "things" that matter.

Nope. A player on the PGA Tour does not have guaranteed money. Isn't this the big reason why people bitch and moan about LIV golfers wanting OWGR points?

Ciao

Ciao
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Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2022, 06:17:34 PM »
Nope. A player on the PGA Tour does not have guaranteed money. Isn't this the big reason why people bitch and moan about LIV golfers wanting OWGR points?
Again, I didn't say they did.

Keep attacking those straw men, man.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
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Rob Marshall

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2022, 08:31:10 PM »
Does anyone think they will balk or find a loophole with pension payouts?
No. IANAL, but I think they'd be wary of getting themselves into that type of legal battle.

It's money first and foremost. No money means a different career. Let's be honest.
But the choice isn't "no money" or "LIV money." The choice is millions of dollars versus more millions of dollars, even if you restrict it to just talking about the money and ignore the other "things" that matter.

Nope. A player on the PGA Tour does not have guaranteed money. Isn't this the big reason why people bitch and moan about LIV golfers wanting OWGR points?

Ciao

Ciao


Players on the pga tour have guaranteed money thru endorsements. Makes no difference how they play. Same as LIV.
"I used to get pissed at blowing leads until I quit having them" John Kavanaugh

Sean_A

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2022, 08:48:38 PM »
Does anyone think they will balk or find a loophole with pension payouts?
No. IANAL, but I think they'd be wary of getting themselves into that type of legal battle.

It's money first and foremost. No money means a different career. Let's be honest.
But the choice isn't "no money" or "LIV money." The choice is millions of dollars versus more millions of dollars, even if you restrict it to just talking about the money and ignore the other "things" that matter.

Nope. A player on the PGA Tour does not have guaranteed money. Isn't this the big reason why people bitch and moan about LIV golfers wanting OWGR points?

Ciao

Ciao


Players on the pga tour have guaranteed money thru endorsements. Makes no difference how they play. Same as LIV.


I think you know exactly the difference.


Ciao
New plays planned for 2023: Cardigan, St David's City, Clyne, Panmure, Kinghorn, Harrogate, West Byfleet, North Foreland & Ladybank

Rob Marshall

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2022, 08:58:33 PM »
Does anyone think they will balk or find a loophole with pension payouts?
No. IANAL, but I think they'd be wary of getting themselves into that type of legal battle.

It's money first and foremost. No money means a different career. Let's be honest.
But the choice isn't "no money" or "LIV money." The choice is millions of dollars versus more millions of dollars, even if you restrict it to just talking about the money and ignore the other "things" that matter.

Nope. A player on the PGA Tour does not have guaranteed money. Isn't this the big reason why people bitch and moan about LIV golfers wanting OWGR points?

Ciao

Ciao


Players on the pga tour have guaranteed money thru endorsements. Makes no difference how they play. Same as LIV.


I think you know exactly the difference.


Ciao


You said players on the pga tour donít have guaranteed money.  They do. Pretty simple. If you said the PGA tour didnít pay them guaranteed money in the past I would agree. They now get $500k to start the year from the tour. Not LIV money but something.
"I used to get pissed at blowing leads until I quit having them" John Kavanaugh

Craig Sweet

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2022, 09:18:53 PM »
It is a drop in the bucket to the trillions of dollars the Saudi's have sucked out yours and mine pockets.  And for that we let them sportwash their blood money.  Two weeks ago they arrested an American when he stepped off a plane in Dubai.....and hustled him off to prison for 20 years because they didn't like his anti Saudi Tweets....


If Dustin likes doing business with these thugs good for him, but he has lowered himself to the level of snake poop.
He's nuttier than a squirrel turd.

Tim Martin

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2022, 09:49:29 PM »
Does anyone think they will balk or find a loophole with pension payouts?
No. IANAL, but I think they'd be wary of getting themselves into that type of legal battle.

It's money first and foremost. No money means a different career. Let's be honest.
But the choice isn't "no money" or "LIV money." The choice is millions of dollars versus more millions of dollars, even if you restrict it to just talking about the money and ignore the other "things" that matter.

Nope. A player on the PGA Tour does not have guaranteed money. Isn't this the big reason why people bitch and moan about LIV golfers wanting OWGR points?

Ciao

Ciao


Players on the pga tour have guaranteed money thru endorsements. Makes no difference how they play. Same as LIV.


They have endorsement money until they stop playing well. When the contract runs itís course itís game over in most cases.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2022, 09:51:07 PM by Tim Martin »

Sean_A

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2022, 05:19:57 AM »
Does anyone think they will balk or find a loophole with pension payouts?
No. IANAL, but I think they'd be wary of getting themselves into that type of legal battle.

It's money first and foremost. No money means a different career. Let's be honest.
But the choice isn't "no money" or "LIV money." The choice is millions of dollars versus more millions of dollars, even if you restrict it to just talking about the money and ignore the other "things" that matter.

Nope. A player on the PGA Tour does not have guaranteed money. Isn't this the big reason why people bitch and moan about LIV golfers wanting OWGR points?

Ciao

Ciao


Players on the pga tour have guaranteed money thru endorsements. Makes no difference how they play. Same as LIV.


I think you know exactly the difference.


Ciao


You said players on the pga tour donít have guaranteed money.  They do. Pretty simple. If you said the PGA tour didnít pay them guaranteed money in the past I would agree. They now get $500k to start the year from the tour. Not LIV money but something.

It's sort of a half guarantee. Only fully exempt players get the $500,000 if they play the minimum number of events. I don't recall the minimum and I don't consider that a guarantee in nearly the same way other sports use the term for contracts.

Ciao
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Jim_Coleman

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2022, 06:10:04 AM »
   My understanding is that itís a non refundable advance against winnings. Itís a way of covering a playerís expenses.

Dave Doxey

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2022, 08:51:40 AM »

Golf viewing is important to me.  I find LIV events much more enjoyable to watch than PGA events.  At least four times the number of golf shots covered.   Being able to go back at any time and watch any past LIV round on YouTube is a perk. 


The 4 majors, especially the Masters are well done, relative to the standard weekly network coverage, which is unwatchable without a DVR skip function.  Streaming broadcasts may well be the future for the younger fans.  The Masters streaming option of being able to watch any shot in the tournament is remarkable.


I hope that the LIV coverage is a wake-up call to the PGAT that causes them to rethink their current coverage and improve.  They have to do something to stem the dropping viewership as the golf audience audience ages out.   All I care about is enjoyable golf watching.  Iíll stay out of the PGAT-LIV mud slinging contest.

Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2022, 09:38:03 AM »
I hope that the LIV coverage is a wake-up call to the PGAT that causes them to rethink their current coverage and improve.  They have to do something to stem the dropping viewership as the golf audience audience ages out.   All I care about is enjoyable golf watching.  Iíll stay out of the PGAT-LIV mud slinging contest.
It's not going to. The Tour just negotiated a huge TV deal, so to PAY for that TV deal, networks have to have approximately 57 minutes of advertising per 60 minutes of coverage  :P .

It's not up to the PGA Tour at this point, really, unless they want to refund some of the money on their deal, in which case they won't have the money they've promised to players for the Elevated Events and such.

Of course the LIV "broadcasts" are betterÖ they have for all intents here an unlimited amount of money, so they can broadcast things without commercials. For now.
Erik J. Barzeski @iacas
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Edward Glidewell

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2022, 11:09:41 AM »
Does anyone think they will balk or find a loophole with pension payouts?
No. IANAL, but I think they'd be wary of getting themselves into that type of legal battle.

It's money first and foremost. No money means a different career. Let's be honest.
But the choice isn't "no money" or "LIV money." The choice is millions of dollars versus more millions of dollars, even if you restrict it to just talking about the money and ignore the other "things" that matter.

Nope. A player on the PGA Tour does not have guaranteed money. Isn't this the big reason why people bitch and moan about LIV golfers wanting OWGR points?

Ciao

Ciao


I don't really get why the OWGR points is even a big issue. Go ahead and give it to them -- they're still going to plummet in the rankings because they won't be able to earn as many points. The LIV events will have to be worth fewer points than PGA events because of the format and the weaker fields.


I imagine certain players will whine if they aren't worth exactly the same as PGA events, but that would make the whole concept of the OWGR pointless.

Sean_A

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2022, 11:19:02 AM »
Does anyone think they will balk or find a loophole with pension payouts?
No. IANAL, but I think they'd be wary of getting themselves into that type of legal battle.

It's money first and foremost. No money means a different career. Let's be honest.
But the choice isn't "no money" or "LIV money." The choice is millions of dollars versus more millions of dollars, even if you restrict it to just talking about the money and ignore the other "things" that matter.

Nope. A player on the PGA Tour does not have guaranteed money. Isn't this the big reason why people bitch and moan about LIV golfers wanting OWGR points?

Ciao

Ciao


I don't really get why the OWGR points is even a big issue. Go ahead and give it to them -- they're still going to plummet in the rankings because they won't be able to earn as many points. The LIV events will have to be worth fewer points than PGA events because of the format and the weaker fields.


I imagine certain players will whine if they aren't worth exactly the same as PGA events, but that would make the whole concept of the OWGR pointless.

I agree. But who said pro golf was about common sense?

Ciao
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Stephen Smith

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Re: Dustin Johnson $125m + 35m
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2022, 11:46:10 AM »

Golf viewing is important to me.  I find LIV events much more enjoyable to watch than PGA events.  At least four times the number of golf shots covered.   Being able to go back at any time and watch any past LIV round on YouTube is a perk. 


The 4 majors, especially the Masters are well done, relative to the standard weekly network coverage, which is unwatchable without a DVR skip function.  Streaming broadcasts may well be the future for the younger fans.  The Masters streaming option of being able to watch any shot in the tournament is remarkable.


I hope that the LIV coverage is a wake-up call to the PGAT that causes them to rethink their current coverage and improve.  They have to do something to stem the dropping viewership as the golf audience audience ages out.   All I care about is enjoyable golf watching.  Iíll stay out of the PGAT-LIV mud slinging contest.


I could not agree more.  I love watching LIV, just golf with no commercials and I like to see the different courses they play.  After watching LIV, the PGA tour is hard to watch with all the commercials, split screen etc. 

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