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Thomas Dai

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Re: One Scottish Club's Maintenance Budget
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2022, 10:26:15 AM »
“I would guess that most Top 100 golf clubs in the USA would have an average of 30-50 green staff for 18 holes verses an average of 15-20 per 18 holes (top 100) in the U.K.,” Hall, the GM at Sunningdale is quoted in the article as saying.
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: One Scottish Club's Maintenance Budget
« Reply #2 on: September 15, 2022, 11:38:30 AM »
“I would guess that most Top 100 golf clubs in the USA would have an average of 30-50 green staff for 18 holes verses an average of 15-20 per 18 holes (top 100) in the U.K.,” Hall, the GM at Sunningdale is quoted in the article as saying.
15-20 green staff per 18-holes at a U.K. top 100? Really? Wow! Out of interest and curiosity I wouldn’t mind seeing a breakdown analysis of this.
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Correct. As an average, not a chance.


EDIT: I missed the Top-100 stipulation so maybe getting closer to that 15 low-end average when you have to factor in things like Adare’s 45ish for 18 holes.
« Last Edit: September 15, 2022, 11:44:20 AM by Ally Mcintosh »

Tom_Doak

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Re: One Scottish Club's Maintenance Budget
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2022, 02:30:02 PM »
When I lived in the UK in 1982, Muirfield had a staff of six tending to the #1 ranked course in the world.  Most clubs in Scotland have no more than that, unless you count all the sheep and cows at Brora.


The figures quoted "for the average top 100 course" are set up with a fat thumb on the scale to make it sound like clubs over there spend more than they do.  The US golf industry would not be happy if the magazine talked about good courses with more reasonable budgets.  But, let's just put it this way -- out of a million pounds, I would guess Royal Dornoch spends no more than £250,000 on the Struie course, and that's probably a lot closer to the average links than the £1 million quoted here.

David_Tepper

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Re: One Scottish Club's Maintenance Budget
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2022, 03:27:53 PM »
Tom D. -

1982 was a long time ago. :) I am guessing there are more than 6 guys on the crew at Muirfield these days.

Any idea how large the greens crew is at the Renaissance Club?

DT


Adam Lawrence

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Re: One Scottish Club's Maintenance Budget
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2022, 03:38:37 PM »
A couple of years ago, Prince's had ten or eleven people taking care of 27 holes.
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Niall C

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Re: One Scottish Club's Maintenance Budget
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2022, 03:28:17 PM »
A few years ago Moray had 6 staff to look after two 18 hole links while the assistant green-keeper at Fraserburgh told me he was the only assistant green-keeper although they did take on some seasonal staff during the summer and they also have 36 holes.


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Sean_A

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Re: One Scottish Club's Maintenance Budget
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2022, 04:11:15 PM »
A few years ago Moray had 6 staff to look after two 18 hole links while the assistant green-keeper at Fraserburgh told me he was the only assistant green-keeper although they did take on some seasonal staff during the summer and they also have 36 holes.

Niall

Maybe six isn't enough. I am told Moray's fairways are still a mess.

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Niall C

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Re: One Scottish Club's Maintenance Budget
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2022, 05:44:43 PM »
I heard that too at BUDA but having got back from Brancaster I can honestly say that Moray Old when we played it was no where near as bad as Brancaster is at the moment and Moray's sprinkler system wasn't working if you remember. We spoke to the club secretary at Brancaster and he suggested that this is normal for Brancaster at this time of year which is a bit worrying if you ask me.


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Sean_A

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Re: One Scottish Club's Maintenance Budget
« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2022, 05:51:45 PM »
I heard that too at BUDA but having got back from Brancaster I can honestly say that Moray Old when we played it was no where near as bad as Brancaster is at the moment and Moray's sprinkler system wasn't working if you remember. We spoke to the club secretary at Brancaster and he suggested that this is normal for Brancaster at this time of year which is a bit worrying if you ask me.

Niall

I was told by a member that something else was going on with Moray. In any case, the issue has gone on for some time. Let's hope the issue is solved pronto.

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Jeff Schley

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Re: One Scottish Club's Maintenance Budget
« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2022, 01:25:55 AM »
Thanks David.


I don't know how common they are some have artisans.  This can help defray manpower.
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David_Tepper

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Re: One Scottish Club's Maintenance Budget
« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2022, 09:52:46 AM »
Jeff S. -

Artisan clubs in the UK have been discussed here before:

https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php?topic=48748.25;wap2

I think there are fewer artisan clubs than there used to be:

https://forums.golfmonthly.com/threads/artisan-golf.111323/

DT

Adam Lawrence

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Re: One Scottish Club's Maintenance Budget
« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2022, 11:31:04 AM »
I think generally speaking only posh clubs (which aren't typical as scantily staffed as most other places) have artisans.
Adam Lawrence

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