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archie_struthers

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Par 4 with lake behind the green
« on: September 14, 2022, 05:04:50 PM »
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Best par 4's you've played or seen with lake backing the green ?

Cal Seifert

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2022, 05:08:10 PM »
Castle Stuart, 3rd Hole. Really love the shaping off to the left of the green where a ball can be kicked into short grass. Makes for a tricky recovery on an otherwise short par 4.



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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2022, 05:24:10 PM »
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thanks like it !

Ira Fishman

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2022, 06:15:05 PM »
4 at Kilspindie.
4 at Killarney Killeen.
10 at Elie.


In the US, not crazy about the course, but 18 at Congressional is a cool hole.


If the Ocean counts, 4 at Bandon Dunes and 7 at Old Mac.


But it is a great question because my memory is that that they are not common.

Dan_Callahan

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2022, 06:34:47 PM »
If you’ll allow for a pond behind the green instead of a lake, the 3rd hole at the Country Club is as good (and uniquely memorable) as it gets.

Kyle Harris

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2022, 06:38:00 PM »
Cleveland Heights in Lakeland, FL


Hole B-3. One of the few good non-Flynn holes there.
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MCirba

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2022, 06:52:23 PM »
There's a good one (14?) at Reynolds Plantation Great Waters in Georgia.   
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Dave Herrick

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2022, 05:53:09 PM »
Hole 4 at Bald Peak Colony in NH. In fact the hole is called “Lake View”. Beautiful view of Lake Winnipesaukee and some of its many islands.

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2022, 10:41:31 PM »
I have never been a huge fan of holes that back right up to a water hazard, because I don't understand the drop rule.


The only ones I can think of that I've built are the new 2nd and 11th greens at The Lido.  The 11th has a bunker guarding the back left, but if you miss long right, or anywhere over the back at the 2nd, you are going down the bank and gone.  They may need a drop area on the 2nd, because that bank is too steep to take a drop if they keep mowing it tight.

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2022, 05:55:25 AM »
Very we allow burns, Rosses Point has a cracker downhill par 3 in the middle of the round. Cullen has one as well on the front nine. I like the concept for drop shot par 3s.

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Thomas Dai

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2022, 06:13:30 AM »
When there’s a water hazard behind a green, even to a certain extent at the side of a green, there arises the issue of where to take the penalty drop from when a ball goes into the water. Can get a bit complex depending on the shape and size of the water feature and what’s on the opposite side of the water to the green. Also need to consider bridges, safety and ‘drop zone’ positioning etc.
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archie_struthers

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2022, 08:10:49 AM »
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Good point re: where to drop but would assume lateral hazard rule would come into play.

Michael Felton

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2022, 08:35:36 AM »
Does 11 at Merion count? It's a bit more of a stream than a lake, but it's right behind the green (and to the side of it).

Dean DiBerardino

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #13 on: September 17, 2022, 08:55:06 AM »
At Fishers Island, there is water behind the 3rd, 4th, 7th, 9th, 11th, 13th & 17th.

The 3rd at The Country Club at Brookline.


The 13th at The Creek.
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Kyle Harris

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2022, 09:24:40 PM »
Stroke and Distance is always the simplest and most fair drop.


Where is the confusion as to where to drop?
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Jim_Coleman

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2022, 08:39:22 AM »
   #16 at TPC has lake right and around the back. I think the drop is often on the green or, at worst, on green-like fringe.

PCCraig

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2022, 11:01:45 AM »
3 at Brookline
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Brian Ross

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2022, 12:32:47 PM »
8 at Yeamans Hall (though it’s a river, not a lake).
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Phil Burr

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2022, 01:12:45 PM »
#14 at Pine Valley.  I realize there's a bunker between the lake & the green, but there's also a road between the green & the pond at #3 at The Country Club (which by the way was the first thought that came to mind).

Adam Lawrence

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #19 on: September 18, 2022, 01:20:24 PM »
Castle Stuart, 3rd Hole. Really love the shaping off to the left of the green where a ball can be kicked into short grass. Makes for a tricky recovery on an otherwise short par 4.





Not exactly a lake though, is it?
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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2022, 03:42:58 PM »
There's a good one (14?) at Reynolds Plantation Great Waters in Georgia.


#13 at Great Waters



Reynolds Great Waters #13 pitch from left

Stewart Abramson

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2022, 03:51:20 PM »
Very we allow burns, Rosses Point has a cracker downhill par 3 in the middle of the round.

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Not sure if this is what you're referring to #13 par 3 at Rosses Point



County Sligo Rosses Point #13 par 3

Stewart Abramson

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2022, 04:05:39 PM »
#7 on the Links 9 at Bay Harbor has Lake Michigan along the right side of the fairway and behind the green



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Carl Rogers

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2022, 07:37:13 PM »
I have never been a huge fan of holes that back right up to a water hazard, because I don't understand the drop rule.


The only ones I can think of that I've built are the new 2nd and 11th greens at The Lido.  The 11th has a bunker guarding the back left, but if you miss long right, or anywhere over the back at the 2nd, you are going down the bank and gone.  They may need a drop area on the 2nd, because that bank is too steep to take a drop if they keep mowing it tight.
Riverfront 15 has wetland tumbling to the Nansemond River behind the green.
« Last Edit: September 18, 2022, 10:27:21 PM by Carl Rogers »
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mike_beene

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Re: Par 4 with lake behind the green
« Reply #24 on: September 18, 2022, 10:23:31 PM »
Best one I can think of is number 5 at The Cliffs Vineyards. Actually more holes with water behind than anywhere else, at least to my feeble mind.

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