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Jim Hoak

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PGA course, Frisco, TX
« on: August 24, 2022, 02:53:40 PM »
I don't believe there has been a thread begun on the new PGA course in Frisco, TX, since it has been completed and become somewhat playable.  The dedication of the PGA headquarters there was held earlier this week.
There are two courses there--the Championship course built by Gil Hanse--and a second course by Beau Welling.  Both have been completed for some time, and there has been very limited play on them.  They will open to the public next Spring.  The opening competition on the Championship course will be the Senior PGA Championship next year.  Future PGA's are set, and a Ryder Cup is indicated as probable.
I would be interested in what any who have played either course think.  I'm sure analysis will increase as more people play either course.
I played the Hanse course in semi-rough condition some time ago, but rather than comment on it, I'll let others go first.  My conclusion would be, however, that this course is the first really Championship course in Texas, it should be seen very soon as the number one course in the state, and will be high in the top 100 courses in the US as it is seen by more.
As others play it, I will look for comments.



Steve Lang

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Re: PGA course, Frisco, TX
« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2022, 09:08:06 AM »
 8)  Jim, The offerings there look impressive, but I always get skeptical when the marketing touts a "legendary golf course designer."


Also, I think there may be some blowback on "first really championship course in Texas,"  sounds a bit hyperbolic!  It may be the longest in TX?? 
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Wayne_Kozun

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Re: PGA course, Frisco, TX
« Reply #2 on: August 25, 2022, 09:10:17 AM »
Is this owned by the PGA?  Do they own PGA National and PGA West?  If not, did they own them at one time?

Jim Hoak

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Re: PGA course, Frisco, TX
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2022, 11:01:59 AM »
Steve, I agree with you that my calling it “the first really championship course in Texas” may sound exaggerated, but I think it may just be a realistic reflection on Texas courses.  Texas—based on championship golfers, junior golfers, golf fans, etc.—must be one of the top golf states, but I don’t think for many reasons you can say that about existing courses.  I think this new course may begin to change that perception.  I hope so.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2022, 12:18:13 PM by Jim Hoak »

Joe Hancock

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Re: PGA course, Frisco, TX
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2022, 04:29:10 PM »
Steve, I agree with you that my calling it “the first really championship course in Texas” may sound exaggerated, but I think it may just be a realistic reflection on Texas courses.  Texas—based on championship golfers, junior golfers, golf fans, etc.—must be one of the top golf states, but I don’t think for many reasons you can say that about existing courses.  I think this new course may begin to change that perception.  I hope so.


Interesting thought: Perhaps Texas is such a great golf state because, maybe up until now, they didn’t care about the *championship* golf thing.
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Steve Lang

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Re: PGA course, Frisco, TX
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2022, 09:46:45 PM »
 8)  GRANDPA JOE,


It'll be interesting when the Dallas folks chime in on your thought, but in the Houston area we're happy that the Astros rescued the Houston Open and put it at Memorial Park and that the LPGA's Chevron Championship has landed at Carlton Woods...  championship courses are where championships are held... whether they have a TopGolf Lounge or not..  :o

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mike_beene

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Re: PGA course, Frisco, TX
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2022, 01:23:34 AM »
Somehow this gets back to the weather. If a championship golf course is where championships are played (and that statement is true the more I think about it), then it took the PGA moving to May to get a championship course. If the US Open had started as a spring or fall event, there would be 7 or 8 championship courses in Texas. And they would be the same courses that are said not to be worthy now.

David Wuthrich

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Re: PGA course, Frisco, TX
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2022, 09:40:39 AM »
8)  GRANDPA JOE,


It'll be interesting when the Dallas folks chime in on your thought, but in the Houston area we're happy that the Astros rescued the Houston Open and put it at Memorial Park and that the LPGA's Chevron Championship has landed at Carlton Woods...  championship courses are where championships are held... whether they have a TopGolf Lounge or not..  :o


Steve, don't forget Champions Golf Club in Houston.  Hosted the US Open, Women's Open, US Amateur, the Ryder Cup and the Tour Championship.  I call that championship golf!

Steve Lang

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Re: PGA course, Frisco, TX
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2022, 09:58:10 PM »
 8)  David, I agree, and I will never forget Champions for how it's pretty much beat me up 3 of 4 times I've played there or seeing Mr. Burke working on the range once or watching the Tour Championship there a couple times... especially in 99 with the bagpiper walking off into the fog celebrating Payne Stewart...


Champions is certainly the poster child for disrespected TX golf... 


Doesn't really bother me, we play year round, learn bermuda grain impacts, and can have original fajitas at Momma Ninfa's!
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Larry_Rodgers

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Re: PGA course, Frisco, TX
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2022, 11:19:34 PM »
I have been around both courses extensively and the back 9 at the east course will be a fabulous test of golf, ensuring that any eagles will be earned and birdies are achievable. There are many drone video’s of the property for viewing if you look deep enough.


This past year of grow in has done wonders to assist with the fine tuning. In my opinion the practice facilities and buildings going up around the dance floor is a great effort to bring golf back to the masses and develop interest in the game we all love.




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