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Thomas Dai

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The better the player the more likely ....
« on: June 18, 2022, 05:37:48 AM »
The better the player the more likely they are to blame the course, the conditioning, the greens, the sand consistency, the weather, the rough etc etc etc, but never themselves, for their ineptitude and screw-ups?
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Mark_Fine

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Re: The better the player the more likely ....
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2022, 07:38:19 AM »
Thomas,
Would a average bowler know if the lanes are not oiled quite right?  Would an regular driver know if a race track is not banked properly?  Would an average fisherman know if it is not the ideal time of day to catch a big one?  Would an average pool player know if the cushions are slightly inconsistent?  Would an average swimmer know it the pool is fast or slow?  I could go on  :)


Does the average golfer know much about golf course design?


There are always exceptions to the rule but we are talking average. 

A.G._Crockett

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Re: The better the player the more likely ....
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2022, 09:44:10 AM »
I think itís true, but I donít think itís necessarily a whiny mentality. Really elite athletes are just Ödifferent in terms of what they feel and what they are doing.


A couple of examples: I read an article years ago in which Tom Stites, who I think was the club guy for Nike, saying that Tiger could accurately tell the difference in the weight of drivers down to a couple of grams, which is about like the weight of a dime.


Another one was told by an SI writer, maybe Deford or Reilly, who was watching Bill Bradley working out in a college gym prior to an interview. Bradley would shoot, then stop and look at the rim, and finally stopped and said, ďThis rim is low.Ē  Somebody got a ladder and a tape measure, and the rim was 1/4Ē low.  1/4ĒÖ


There are a couple of Nicklaus stories about putting in Rotellaís books that are similar.  I wonít try to retell those, but the essence was that Nicklaus said that he didnít miss particular putts; they just hadnít gone in, with the implication being that it was the green, not him.


Elite athletes have physical gifts that are hard for mere mortals to understand, and itís often accompanied by TREMENDOUS confidence in those gifts, plus a powerful ego. When things go wrong, it isnít surprising that they look outward for a cause, though I know people find that off-putting.
"Golf...is usually played with the outward appearance of great dignity.  It is, nevertheless, a game of considerable passion, either of the explosive type, or that which burns inwardly and sears the soul."      Bobby Jones

Kalen Braley

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Re: The better the player the more likely ....
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2022, 01:20:06 PM »
Thomas this is true of pro athletes in all sports...

Baseball, Hockey, Football, and even Basketball.  I got a kick out of watching Luke Doncic, one of the biggest whiner boys in the NBA, complain that the rim was slightly off, even though they double and triple checked it.

And it would seem that golfers would plausibly have the most legitimate gripes, considering their fields of play can be vastly different from week to week, unlike most other sports.

Garland Bayley

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Re: The better the player the more likely ....
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2022, 01:35:28 PM »
The better the player the more likely they are to blame the course, the conditioning, the greens, the sand consistency, the weather, the rough etc etc etc, but never themselves, for their ineptitude and screw-ups?
atb

Yep, that is exactly what the psychological studies tell us.

Their finding was they were the most dishonest about their performance to themselves.

I.e., if you admit mistakes it hurts your confidence.
« Last Edit: June 18, 2022, 01:40:59 PM by Garland Bayley »
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Wayne_Kozun

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Re: The better the player the more likely ....
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2022, 02:56:04 PM »
They need to have this mentality to maintain their confidence in their abilities.  If something doesn't go right it was someone or something else's fault.  Their execution was perfect.

Rob Marshall

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Re: The better the player the more likely ....
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2022, 04:29:33 PM »
Guilty as charged.
"I used to get pissed at blowing leads until I quit having them" John Kavanaugh

PPallotta

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Re: The better the player the more likely ....
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2022, 05:56:45 PM »
The irony being that if great players didn't complain great architects would be out of a job and most of the world's great courses wouldn't be here.

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