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John Kavanaugh

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Re: OT--If you were Commissioner Monahan, how do you handle the Saudi threat?
« Reply #50 on: June 10, 2022, 05:53:38 PM »
These guys will dance as fast needed to keep the tap flowing. It’s like they are partners now.
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John Kavanaugh

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Re: OT--If you were Commissioner Monahan, how do you handle the Saudi threat?
« Reply #51 on: June 10, 2022, 05:56:16 PM »
Finally a solution that will kill slow play. No appearance fees for anyone who harms the product. Swift justice.
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Erik J. Barzeski

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Re: OT--If you were Commissioner Monahan, how do you handle the Saudi threat?
« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2022, 05:57:19 PM »
Quote from: Pete_Pittock on June 10, 2022, 05:48:15 PM
Faster play? Give me a break. The first day of LIV was 4:48 for the round. Sixteen three balls on the course. Less than one group a hole. And they were obscenely slow. Slow me the money.
Was coming to say the same thing. Put a 4:00 round limit on the guys and it'd be more compelling.
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Kalen Braley

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Re: OT--If you were Commissioner Monahan, how do you handle the Saudi threat?
« Reply #53 on: June 10, 2022, 05:58:10 PM »
Quote from: Pete_Pittock on June 10, 2022, 05:48:15 PM
Faster play? Give me a break. The first day of LIV was 4:48 for the round. Sixteen three balls on the course. Less than one group a hole. And they were obscenely slow. Slow me the money.

Not faster play, just much faster time overall to complete field play on any given day.

If those 16 groups teed off in 10 minute intervals on the 1st tee, it'd take 2.5 hours just to get everyone on the course, and then another 4 1/2 hours for the last group to finish...
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Ken Moum

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Re: OT--If you were Commissioner Monahan, how do you handle the Saudi threat?
« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2022, 08:16:50 PM »
Quote from: Pete_Pittock on June 10, 2022, 05:48:15 PM
Faster play? Give me a break. The first day of LIV was 4:48 for the round. Sixteen three balls on the course. Less than one group a hole. And they were obscenely slow. Slow me the money.


Well, I never said faster...I said good pace, and something around 4:30 seems to be comfortable for those guys.


But imagine what 100 pros would do in an 18-hole shotgun.
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Tim_Cronin

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Re: OT--If you were Commissioner Monahan, how do you handle the Saudi threat?
« Reply #55 on: June 10, 2022, 08:35:14 PM »
Quote from: Ken Moum on June 10, 2022, 08:16:50 PM
Quote from: Pete_Pittock on June 10, 2022, 05:48:15 PM
Faster play? Give me a break. The first day of LIV was 4:48 for the round. Sixteen three balls on the course. Less than one group a hole. And they were obscenely slow. Slow me the money.


Well, I never said faster...I said good pace, and something around 4:30 seems to be comfortable for those guys.


But imagine what 100 pros would do in an 18-hole shotgun.


That would never work. Remember, Kevin Na's in the field. If this was racing, he's a moving chicane.


But I could see adding six more players, three on each tee to start. And the total is the magic number for this operation: 54.
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Ken Moum

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Re: OT--If you were Commissioner Monahan, how do you handle the Saudi threat?
« Reply #56 on: June 10, 2022, 09:40:01 PM »
Quote from: Tim_Cronin on June 10, 2022, 08:35:14 PM
Quote from: Ken Moum on June 10, 2022, 08:16:50 PM
Quote from: Pete_Pittock on June 10, 2022, 05:48:15 PM
Faster play? Give me a break. The first day of LIV was 4:48 for the round. Sixteen three balls on the course. Less than one group a hole. And they were obscenely slow. Slow me the money.


Well, I never said faster...I said good pace, and something around 4:30 seems to be comfortable for those guys.


But imagine what 100 pros would do in an 18-hole shotgun.


That would never work. Remember, Kevin Na's in the field. If this was racing, he's a moving chicane.


But I could see adding six more players, three on each tee to start. And the total is the magic number for this operation: 54.


IOW...


LIV


😁
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Daryl David

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Re: OT--If you were Commissioner Monahan, how do you handle the Saudi threat?
« Reply #57 on: June 11, 2022, 07:26:29 PM »
Quote from: Craig Sweet on June 09, 2022, 12:14:21 AM
Apparently you all have forgotten about the apartheid regime in South Africa and the divestment movement..


Oh well...The thing is, a capitalist will climb into bed with anyone if there's a nickel to be made.  Henry Ford, old man Kennedy...Phil, DJ, Trump, they don't care who is signing the check.  They all possessed about an ounce moral fortitude.


Well, you can soon include our current president on the list of politicians and business people that have and will continue to engage with the Kingdom. There is no way to draw the line in sand that freezes out the Saudis. We are long past being able to go that direction. Watch in a few weeks for that handshake between Joe and MBS. Will look the same as the one with Trump. Reality always gets in the way of principles.
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