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Don Mahaffey

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #400 on: June 08, 2022, 11:43:24 AM »
Steve, thatís an interesting take.


My opinion on the matter is if people are making money or enjoying entertainment from investments or entities with business ties to the SA Kingdom, but donít know about it, itís not an issue.
Kind of like, we want your money, but please keep it on the down low.  Itís the idea that they have come out that really is bothersome.

Steve Lapper

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #401 on: June 08, 2022, 02:26:25 PM »
Steve, thatís an interesting take.


My opinion on the matter is if people are making money or enjoying entertainment from investments or entities with business ties to the SA Kingdom, but donít know about it, itís not an issue.
Kind of like, we want your money, but please keep it on the down low.  Itís the idea that they have come out that really is bothersome.


Don,


  You aren't wrong, however, a large, large part of American enterprise is globalized and thus willing to do business in every country willing to conduct profitable trade, save for those federally sanctioned (i.e. Russia,North Korea, etc..). Few, if any, companies, care where their products are sold, so long as the bills are paid.


  The real issue here is the direct investment arm of the ruling Saudi family has directed nearly a billion dollars to establishing a competitive professional golf tour. Right or wrong, there is little daylight between the state and the LIV. As for various US businesses conducting normal commerce, there is often a wide berth created between seller, buyer and political association or incrimination.


  Hope all is well with you!
The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking."--John Kenneth Galbraith

John Kavanaugh

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #402 on: June 08, 2022, 03:13:11 PM »
Are you afraid that the Saudiís have turned DJ. Talk about a double knot spy.

Sean_A

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #403 on: June 08, 2022, 03:51:19 PM »
Steve, thatís an interesting take.


My opinion on the matter is if people are making money or enjoying entertainment from investments or entities with business ties to the SA Kingdom, but donít know about it, itís not an issue.
Kind of like, we want your money, but please keep it on the down low.  Itís the idea that they have come out that really is bothersome.


Don,


  You aren't wrong, however, a large, large part of American enterprise is globalized and thus willing to do business in every country willing to conduct profitable trade, save for those federally sanctioned (i.e. Russia,North Korea, etc..). Few, if any, companies, care where their products are sold, so long as the bills are paid.


  The real issue here is the direct investment arm of the ruling Saudi family has directed nearly a billion dollars to establishing a competitive professional golf tour. Right or wrong, there is little daylight between the state and the LIV. As for various US businesses conducting normal commerce, there is often a wide berth created between seller, buyer and political association or incrimination.


  Hope all is well with you!

If you are dealing with Saudi you are dealing with the state. Saudi is nothing more than a glorified oil company.

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David_Tepper

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #404 on: June 08, 2022, 05:06:28 PM »
Worthwhile Golfers Journal podcast with Tom Coyne and Alan Shipnuck on "the Saudi Situation."

https://www.golfersjournal.com/editorial/inside-the-saudi-situation/

Ken Moum

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #405 on: June 09, 2022, 11:04:33 AM »
Are you afraid that the Saudiís have turned DJ. Talk about a double knot spy.


Maybe a concern that Paulina will be abandoning her current wardrobe for one more attuned to Saudi tastes...or not.
Over time, the guy in the ideal position derives an advantage, and delivering him further  advantage is not worth making the rest of the players suffer at the expense of fun, variety, and ultimately cost -- Jeff Warne, 12-08-2010

Mike Wagner

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Stewart Abramson

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #407 on: June 10, 2022, 11:50:37 AM »
Are you afraid that the Saudiís have turned DJ. Talk about a double knot spy.


Double naught. As in 007

JMEvensky

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #408 on: June 10, 2022, 12:13:40 PM »
Are you afraid that the Saudiís have turned DJ. Talk about a double knot spy.


Double naught. As in 007




Jethro Bodine says thanks.

Steve Lang

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #409 on: June 10, 2022, 12:31:00 PM »
 8)  JB is probably wondering how many pages this thread will go to... maybe not


Beyond Jethro subterfuge... Where was all this moral outrage when the Ladies were funded by the Saudis?


Aramco Saudi Ladies International presented by Public Investment Fund
https://www.golfsaudi.com/en-us/asli-2022









Inverness (Toledo, OH) cathedral clock inscription: "God measures men by what they are. Not what they in wealth possess.  That vibrant message chimes afar.
The voice of Inverness"

Wayne_Kozun

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #410 on: June 10, 2022, 12:35:38 PM »
8)  JB is probably wondering how many pages this thread will go to... maybe not


Beyond Jethro subterfuge... Where was all this moral outrage when the Ladies were funded by the Saudis?


Aramco Saudi Ladies International presented by Public Investment Fund
https://www.golfsaudi.com/en-us/asli-2022
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/eamon-lynch-why-arent-women-criticized-like-the-men-for-taking-saudi-money-its-need-vs-greed/ar-AAQot1T
It's need vs greed.

Pete_Pittock

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #411 on: June 10, 2022, 06:01:31 PM »
I think we will get a good readout of the general popularity on the Thursday of the US Open, which will be Mickelson's birthday. What will they be singing? If he gets an afternoon tea [sic] time it might be ughly


Will he be recognizable without all his logos?  Probably, well suited dressed in black.
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Mike Wagner

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #412 on: June 11, 2022, 12:05:45 PM »
8)  JB is probably wondering how many pages this thread will go to... maybe not


Beyond Jethro subterfuge... Where was all this moral outrage when the Ladies were funded by the Saudis?


Aramco Saudi Ladies International presented by Public Investment Fund
https://www.golfsaudi.com/en-us/asli-2022


Exactly .. and now it's even worse because they have to admit they weren't paying attention to the women ... you'd think the view would be crystal clear from the moral high horse ..

Cliff Hamm

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #413 on: June 11, 2022, 03:50:28 PM »
From the NY Post -  a 9/11 surivor's group take on Mickelson, et al.:


https://nypost.com/2022/06/11/phil-mickelson-other-liv-golf-players-ripped-by-9-11-group/

Carl Johnson

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #414 on: June 11, 2022, 04:48:10 PM »

From NY Post -- A. Shipnuck tossed from Michelson press conference

https://nypost.com/2022/06/09/alan-shipnuck-physically-removed-from-phil-mickelson-presser/

Rob Marshall

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #415 on: June 11, 2022, 07:51:42 PM »
From the NY Post -  a 9/11 surivor's group take on Mickelson, et al.:


https://nypost.com/2022/06/11/phil-mickelson-other-liv-golf-players-ripped-by-9-11-group/


Can you imagine if the open was in NYC this year?
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JESII

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #416 on: June 11, 2022, 07:59:48 PM »
Bostonís no slouch

Tim_Cronin

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #417 on: June 11, 2022, 08:07:24 PM »
Bostonís no slouch


True that. They're not exactly bashful in the Fen.
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Steve Lang

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #418 on: June 12, 2022, 10:29:05 AM »
 8)  The outraged will get their chances to voice their sentiments soon enough in Metro NY/NJ end of July and in Boston beginning of Sept.


I guess its not Shell's Wonderful World of Golf anymore... like Sam & Jack at Pebble: https://youtu.be/qMnrQYyxOho

Inverness (Toledo, OH) cathedral clock inscription: "God measures men by what they are. Not what they in wealth possess.  That vibrant message chimes afar.
The voice of Inverness"

Pete_Pittock

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #419 on: June 12, 2022, 03:31:17 PM »
8)  The outraged will get their chances to voice their sentiments soon enough in Metro NY/NJ end of July and in Boston beginning of Sept.


I guess its not Shell's Wonderful World of Golf anymore... like Sam & Jack at Pebble: https://youtu.be/qMnrQYyxOho


Oregon is antifa country, we won't have wait beyond the end of this month, unless everyone is stuck in the muds of the parking lots (fields).

Steve Lang

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #420 on: June 12, 2022, 08:37:01 PM »
 8)  Hey Pete,


Didn't mean to slight potential outrage directed to LIV at Pumpkin Ridge in the great NW, just haven't really seen the ANTIFA crowd actually voice anything coherently between bashing people with skateboards, using fireworks offensively, and setting dumpster fires...


Best for 2022
Inverness (Toledo, OH) cathedral clock inscription: "God measures men by what they are. Not what they in wealth possess.  That vibrant message chimes afar.
The voice of Inverness"

V. Kmetz

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #421 on: June 12, 2022, 09:25:04 PM »
Didn't mean to slight potential outrage directed to LIV at Pumpkin Ridge in the great NW, just haven't really seen the ANTIFA crowd actually voice anything coherently between bashing people with skateboards, using fireworks offensively, and setting dumpster fires...


I called the ANTIFA hotline; they related:  "Sorry the message was unclear - bringing airhorns, boxes of Japanese beetles, kerosene and sacks of kudzu seeds, just the same...are skateboards 'cart path only?'"
"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

Tim Leahy

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #422 on: June 13, 2022, 06:15:13 PM »
Could the ANTIFA crowd be any worse than the crowd at the 16th in Phoenix?
I am sure Sergio would rather deal with them over the crowd at the Open at Bethpage Black.  ::)
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Mike Sweeney

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #423 on: June 13, 2022, 06:48:47 PM »
I am sure Sergio would rather deal with them over the crowd at the Open at Bethpage Black.  ::)


I like Sergio, he expresses his true feelings, and can take a joke:


https://www.golfwrx.com/226693/sergio-garcia-surprises-golfers-at-bethpage-black/






"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If weíve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. Weíre no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us."

Dr. Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

Craig Sweet

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Re: O.T. Phil Mickelson on International Politics and Human Rights
« Reply #424 on: June 13, 2022, 08:19:59 PM »
Ho ho ho...ha ha ha...


If it weren't for Antifa Europe would still be under Nazi rule.  But, hey, most posters here either take blood money too, or have short memories.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/13/sports/golf/golf-liv-pga-saudi.html
He's nuttier than a squirrel turd.

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