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Karl Jensen

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Woodmont Country Club still exists near Rockville, MD. The course I am referring to is the Club's previous location five miles south along the Rockville Pike. This location now is the site of the National Library of Medicine, built in 1959. Bill Flynn designed the original nine and the below newspaper clipping reports that Donald Ross designed an additional nine holes sometime in the mid 1930's. Here is a link for more history info about Town and Country aka Woodmont CC.


https://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/wewereherefirst/woodmont_country_club.html



Any truth to the newspaper article?


Woodmont Country Club article, 9 Nov 1937 Washington, DC Evening Star

Paul Carey

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If I am sure of anything I am sure Craig Disher will have the answer. 

Jerry Kluger

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I do know that Ross designed the original Indian Spring Country Club in Silver Spring which was taken when the Washington Beltway was built - the course was relocated as a 36 holes complex north of that location.   I believe there is a nine hole public course in that area now but I don't believe that it has any of the Ross holes.

Paul Carey

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Woodmont was a nine holer and a cross the street Navy Medical Hospital (now called Walter Reed) had nine hole course on its property and a couple miles up the road Georgetown Prep had a nine hole course.  Unfortunately all NLE.   


I remember as a kid trying to find the old teeing grounds on the Woodmont original site.  I guess I was a GCA geek before I even knew it.
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Karl Jensen

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Paul,


What street are you referring to when you say across the street Walter Reed also had a course? Is this the Rockville Pike? If you go on historicaerials.com you can see a 1949 aerial layout of the Woodmont course, before it was built upon. Looks to be more than nine holes unless there was another golf course that closely rubbed shoulders with it. Woodmont is on the NIH side of the Rockville Pike and Walter Reed hospital is on the other. The only course I see near Walter Reed, on the other side of the Rockville Pike, is the Columbia Country Club.

Karl Jensen

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Looks like the Woodmont Country Club did expand to eighteen holes before being bought out by the NIH. Perhaps there is a lost Donald Ross nine holes out there.


Woodmont Country Club information, Feb 1987 Montgomery, MD Historical Society publication



http://montgomeryhistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Vol30No1_MCStory.pdf

Craig Disher

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A lot of history here to remember. I'll do my best.

Flynn's T&C gc near NIH was a nine-hole course for over 20 years. The additional 9 may have been designed by Ross but the holes on the ground looked ordinary. Perhaps they follow his routing but were jammed onto a relatively small piece of property.
The Manor references are accurate. Only 18 holes of Flynn's original 27-hole plan were built - a normal length 9 and a contiguous short 9. In the late 1920s Harry Collis was hired to construct 9 holes on the site Flynn intended for the front 9. He followed Flynn's hole corridors which had been cleared.  Collis used the corridors in a counter-clockwise direction, the reverse of Flynn's plan. His holes lasted until the late 1930s when the club decided that the 9 holes needed to be lengthened. That was completed by 1938 giving Manor 27 holes, a short, 9-hole Flynn design, a locally designed front 9, and Flynn's back 9. That configuration lasted until the late 199s when Arthur Hills redesigned the entire course mostly following the same routing but adding a larger practice area which altered some of the holes on the short 9. The course is now essentially an Arthur Hills design. All that remains of Flynn is his routing for the back 9.

Ross's Indian Spring was a great golf course, well-remembered by top area players from the 30s as the best course in the DC area. It was sold in the 1940s to a real estate developer who eliminated a few holes for housing and had Flynn fill out the remaining property with the lost holes. The course was abandoned when I-495 was built in the late 1950s. The club moved to a large property outside DC and hired Wm Gordon to build 36 holes. Indian Spring disappeared when the property was sold for housing 20 years ago.
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Bernie Bell

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Craig - Any idea who laid out the 9 holes that are now Sligo Creek, and when?

Sven Nilsen

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If the 1947 date in the MD Historical Society publication is correct for the addition of 9 holes at Woodmont, then:


A.  The club didn't immediately go through with the planned work noted in the 1938 article; and


B.  It is possible that the Ross plans were never used.


Be interested in learning a bit more about T&C's original 9 hole course that was taken over by Argyle CC when T&C moved to its new Flynn course in 1921.


Sven
"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Sven Nilsen

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If Sligo Creek is the old Argyle which was the original T&C, my records indicate William Tucker and Walter Harban.
"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Karl Jensen

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Sven,


The original Columbia CC beget the Washington Suburban Club beget the Town and Country Club beget the Argyle Country Club. All at a location on Georgia Avenue in Washington, DC. Three newspaper clippings below and an excerpt from the history of the Columbia CC website. I haven't figured out who laid out the course.



Established more than 120 years ago, Columbia Country Club is a private, member-owned club, formerly known as Columbia Golf Club. The Columbia Golf Club was organized on September 29, 1898 by nine men with a mission to promote "educational, literary and scientific purposes; social activities and mutual improvements; and to support athletic exercise, outdoor sport and amusement." The first location of the Club was on the east side of Brightwood Avenue, later known as Georgia Avenue, in the neighborhood of Schuetzen Park. In a short time, the Club moved to a site further north on the west side where a vacant lot was converted into a crude nine-hole golf course. The Columbia Golf Club was disbanded following the last round of golf on December 31, 1910. At the time, 200 of the 600 members became supporters of the newly created Columbia Country Club.

The opening of the new Columbia Country Club occurred on the evening of January 1, 1911. The Connecticut Avenue site had been purchased in 1909 from the Chevy Chase Land Company. The certificate of incorporation is dated August 25, 1909. The clubhouse was designed by Club member Frederick B. Pyle.

The golf course is widely recognized as a Walter Travis design.  Walter J. Travis, a pioneer in golf course architecture, and a legend in golf in the early decades of the 20th century, certainly laid claim to the design as his own.  Herbert Barker and Columbia Founding Member Dr. Walter S. Harban, both close associates of Travis, are often noted as the official designers.  Herbert Barker was the Head Professional at Travis’ home Club, Garden City, in New York. Harban and Travis were also co-designers of the golf course at East Potomac Park.  Travis was a regular guest and competitor at Columbia and was formally hired as the first “US Open Doctor” in 1916 to help prepare the course for a National Championship.  Columbia is a member Club in the Walter J. Travis Society.

Washington Suburban Club article, 31 Jan 1913 Washington, DC Times newspaper



Town and Country Club article, 1 Dec 1916 Washington, DC Times newspaper



Argyle Country Club article, 17 Sep 1921 Washington, DC Evening Star newspaper

Sven Nilsen

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Now the plot thickens, as Columbia GC is credited as a Bendelow. 


Curious that there are reports that Columbia GC had 18 holes prior to the move to the new site.
"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Craig Disher

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Craig - Any idea who laid out the 9 holes that are now Sligo Creek, and when?
No idea who designed it but it dates from the early 1960s when I-495 took over the northern part of the site near Colesville Rd. Argyle CC had moved from there in the late 1940s after selling the property to Montgomery County which continued to operate it as a public course. 9 new holes were built over the top of the old Argyle course after adding a bit lf land on the east side. I don't think any of the original Argyle holes were used in the new course and I'd guess the course was designed by the Montgomery County parks department.

Argyle's first course was the T&C course in DC (near the intersection of Georgia Ave and Decatur St) which T&C had taken over from Columbia in 1913. T&C occuped the site several years, closing 9 when they were unable to maintain them. When Argyle left for their new course near Colesville Rd in 1923, the property became residential. Argyle's new course at the Colesville Rd site was designed by Perc LeDuc, a club member who also designed Argyle's current course near Wheaton MD.

Craig Disher

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Now the plot thickens, as Columbia GC is credited as a Bendelow. 


Curious that there are reports that Columbia GC had 18 holes prior to the move to the new site.
That's true. The original DC site of Columbia CC had 18 holes. T&C abandoned 9 of them before leaving for Bethesda.

Karl Jensen

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Craig and Sven,


I believe the "well known professional" Tucker in this article is Willie H. Tucker Sr. The article states Tucker as "laying off the new grounds". Tucker, I believe was more of a turf grass specialist, working for Carters Tested Seeds on tennis courts, golf courses etc. He did design golf courses, as you well know.


Columbia Golf Club article, 5 Dec 1899 Washington, DC Evening Star newspaper
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Karl Jensen

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Craig and Sven,


Two interesting 1909 newspaper articles below reporting Tom Morris as having laid out the Columbia Country Club at Chevy Chase, MD. This Tom Morris was the greenskeeper at the Ekwanok CC in Manchester, VT. He was a grand nephew of Old Tom Morris. Son of Jack Morris who was the son of George Morris, Old Tom's brother. Also below are two images for more info on Tom Morris.


Columbia Country Club article, 19 Oct 1909 Washington, DC Herald newspaper



Columbia Country Club article, 14 Oct 1909 Washington, DC Evening Star newspaper



Tom Morris photo, Aug 1905 USGA Bulletin



Aug 1905 USGA Bulletin

Bret Lawrence

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Karl,


A few tidbits of information on Tom Morris:


In 1899, Tom Morris was listed as the greenkeeper for Brooklawn Country Club (CT). According to the article you posted, he was only 16 years old at the time.


In the 1920’s Tom Morris was the greenkeeper at Butler County Country Club (NKA Hamilton Elks) in Ohio.  Jeff Zugelter posted a few articles on Tom Morris a few months back. 


One of the flyers in the link you attached titled “Woodmont Country Club Expanded Golf Course, 1947” notes that Alfred Tull laid out the new nine holes and redesigned two of the old holes for the Woodmount Country Club Course in 1947.  Below this mention of Tull they tell us to refer to the May 21, 1947 article from the Evening Star.


The loc.gov website has more information on Washington DC courses than you could ever hope to find.  The newspaper men were very tuned into the golf courses and would write about every little change made on the cities golf courses.  For example, you can find all the changes Travis recommended at Columbia CC between 1915 and 1920 if you look hard enough.  Travis worked with William Connellan in the first few years at Columbia and then later Robert White came in to assist Travis.  Harban was obviously on board as well being the head of the greens committee. Ultimately, Harban put together four of the most knowledgeable turf experts in America at the time and they still ran into problems during the US Open.  These problems led Harban to start the USGA Green Section along with Piper, Oakley and Kellerman from the USDA.


The information in the Washington newspapers is fascinating.  Picking out one article from these papers doesn’t really do a story justice, because these courses were so well covered that more research would lead to more answers.  The theme I got from reading many of the articles (a few years back) was that these clubs were never satisfied with the end result and seemed to always tinker with their golf courses.  Clubs would expand to new land.  Some would abandon an old site, only for it to be taken over by another club later. Many of the clubs suffered turf problems due to the climate.  The city was a revolving door for turf experts and architects alike.  It was also located in an area easily accessible for any east coast architect making the trip from New York or Boston to Florida. 


When I was reading the articles I found the club histories very confusing trying to keep track of what clubs went where and who designed the courses versus who laid out the courses.  William Connellan for example laid out nine holes of a Ross design for Chevy Chase CC a few years after Ross designed them. Connellan was also in charge of making Travis’ changes at Columbia CC in the teens, prior to Robert White coming in to assist Travis and Harban.  Travis recommended changes to Washington Golf & Country Club in June 1919, by December 1919, Flynn was reported at Washington Golf & CC making his own changes along with help from Hugh Wilson. In 1930, Charles Banks redesigned the Bannockburn Golf Club, but due to the timing the plans were never followed through or accepted.  There is a lot of information like this in the DC newspapers that needs to siphoned through.  The history of golf in DC was fascinating to me.  I just wish I had more time to sort it all out.  I appreciate Craig sorting out all the name changes and moves.

Paul Carey

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Paul,


What street are you referring to when you say across the street Walter Reed also had a course? Is this the Rockville Pike? If you go on historicaerials.com you can see a 1949 aerial layout of the Woodmont course, before it was built upon. Looks to be more than nine holes unless there was another golf course that closely rubbed shoulders with it. Woodmont is on the NIH side of the Rockville Pike and Walter Reed hospital is on the other. The only course I see near Walter Reed, on the other side of the Rockville Pike, is the Columbia Country Club.


I meant across Rockville Pike.  I guess now with all the lanes and traffic it’s a bit more than a street.

Craig Disher

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Paul,


What street are you referring to when you say across the street Walter Reed also had a course? Is this the Rockville Pike? If you go on historicaerials.com you can see a 1949 aerial layout of the Woodmont course, before it was built upon. Looks to be more than nine holes unless there was another golf course that closely rubbed shoulders with it. Woodmont is on the NIH side of the Rockville Pike and Walter Reed hospital is on the other. The only course I see near Walter Reed, on the other side of the Rockville Pike, is the Columbia Country Club.


I meant across Rockville Pike.  I guess now with all the lanes and traffic it’s a bit more than a street.
Walter Reed/Naval Hospital on the east side of Rockville Pike actually had a 9-hole golf course for many years. A couple of the holes paralleled Rockville Pike and caused frequent damage to cars from misdirected golf balls. I was in one when it had its windshield cracked.  Between Walter Reed and the new Woodmont, there were two other courses, both 9-holers. The one at Georgetown Prep is gone even though the school kept 2 or 3 holes.  The other was a public course across the street at the site that became the NLE White Flint Mall.


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