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Mark Kiely

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Re: Is there a great golf hole (par 4 or par 5) with a bunker fronting the green?
« Reply #50 on: October 21, 2020, 11:08:26 PM »
Quote from: David_Elvins on October 21, 2020, 10:26:55 PM
Quote from: Mark Kiely on October 21, 2020, 10:15:44 PM
How about "Moat," the par-4 12th at PGA West Stadium?


It's a very cool hole, imo


Does it need the front bunker though? I actually think it detracts a bit from the hole as it turns the approach into an aerial approach to a yardage, which to some degree negates the advantage of hitting to the right side of the fairway and being able to see the green.  Not that I would change it, it fits the course perfectly and there is a definite skill to trusting youur yardages on a blind shot. 





Considering the hole is named "Moat" and that's where the bunker is, I bet Pete would say it needs the front bunker.
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David_Elvins

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Re: Is there a great golf hole (par 4 or par 5) with a bunker fronting the green?
« Reply #51 on: October 22, 2020, 12:41:15 AM »
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Considering the hole is named "Moat" and that's where the bunker is, I bet Pete would say it needs the front bunker.


Sorry, i meant doesnt need the front bunker...to be a good hole. Not...to be a moat hole. 


I have seen Doak use half blind feature half a dozen times without a front bunker and it works fine.


Don't get me wrong, I really like the hole and the course and I am glad you brought it up, but it a course not designed for repeat play or a wide variety of golfers and that makes it hard for it to be truly great architecture.
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Mark Kiely

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Re: Is there a great golf hole (par 4 or par 5) with a bunker fronting the green?
« Reply #52 on: October 22, 2020, 01:54:09 AM »
I just meant because the name is moat and that's where the bunker is, I suspect Dye considered the bunker to be the defining feature of the hole, moreso than the half-blind approach.
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Kevin Pallier

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Re: Is there a great golf hole (par 4 or par 5) with a bunker fronting the green?
« Reply #53 on: October 22, 2020, 08:42:31 PM »
David


I think Tom has already mentioned Alps re: 3rd at NGLA


A couple I can think of  = 7 & 8 Pine Valley





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