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Zac,How about the 18th green and practice green share similar space (ie. Garden City Men's Club). Also, always a good feel when the practice green is also the first tee....I realize these aren't ground breaking ideas but might fit into your vision.Best of luck!!Scott
Ive never built a course so im not sure exactly when those decisions get set in stone, I would assume some decisions are made in the field as well (maybe you shift a tee or green site to make the hole or transition better etc.)
Quote from: Zac Blair on January 26, 2021, 11:51:25 AMIve never built a course so im not sure exactly when those decisions get set in stone, I would assume some decisions are made in the field as well (maybe you shift a tee or green site to make the hole or transition better etc.)It isn't set in stone until you put the irrigation in the ground. That is less comfortable for you at this stage, because you're still in the mode of doodling ideas, which is fine, but at some point it will switch to 3-D and the doodles are less useful then!
Peter,Are you seeing this from the routing posted in The Fried Egg interview, or other?https://thefriedegg.com/zac-blair-the-buck-club-hires-tom-doak-kye-goalby-to-design-the-tree-farm/
I just laid that routing over the terrain to see it in 3D.
Quote from: Peter Flory on January 26, 2021, 03:20:59 PMI just laid that routing over the terrain to see it in 3D.Pretty amazing how far technology has come since this message board started.
The overlays were created by adjusting the scale and orientation of each routing to match each other and the source 5' contour map. The feature locations and shapes were traced to match and are correct based upon the original drawings. I believe the pond on your routing may look strange to you due to a discrepancy between the 5' contour map I sourced from Aiken County and the 1' contour map you used. I noticed that the fidelity of your map is of a higher degree and in certain locations deviates from the 5' contour map.For Reference, here is your routing overlaid on the 5' Contour map, with my line tracing on top:
Doak’s Achilles are ponds. Thank God for Goalby.
I took a quick look, and being able to read topo, and having no horse in this race, it seems pretty clear to me Tom's is better. The other one has a few pretty awkward holes.I do have to ask if this is really conceptual, or specifically, in that third hole, the green is20+ feet above the back tee, and more above any forward tee, when the entire hole could have been shifted toward the bottom/bottom right of the page and had the green and tee at similar levels.
Fine template to copy.
Tom,Based on your last paragraph it sounds like you did not create the routing document that was posted on The Fried Egg? It's a given that the routing ideas today will inevitably evolve and change as the course begins construction. So these documents really on capture the thoughts in a moment in time. As this drawing is being promoted as your routing, I'm then curious what level of accuracy it still holds today? Is the spit pond idea a new one, or was it misinterpreted in the creation of the Merry Land Timber plan?