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Phil--I am close to 100% sure that the footprint of the RTJ course does not overly any of the original...and if it does it is maybe 10-30 yards of the original (East to West). A couple of years ago I played Rockaway Hunt Club with a guy whose dad had a lease on the RTJ course and operated it for a while. I will ask him to review our posts...
Quote from: Michael Whitaker on February 18, 2021, 05:58:43 PMIím really excited to see this course. As Iíve mentioned many times on this site, Iím a massive fan of the Macdonald/Raynor style and have wondered why it was abandoned. With the South Course at Arcadia Bluffsand now the recreation of the Lido I feel like Iím dreaming! 😂One serious question... will the course be listed as a CB Macdonald design or a Doak design? Or, a collaboration?I have no idea what's appropriate, and I don't really care all that much whether I am the "designer" or just the "builder". Never have cared much about titles, honestly. But if we credit the other guys who contributed [MacKenzie, Tom Simpson] as well as Macdonald and Raynor, I guess that would be a pretty good list to be a co-designer with!
Iím really excited to see this course. As Iíve mentioned many times on this site, Iím a massive fan of the Macdonald/Raynor style and have wondered why it was abandoned. With the South Course at Arcadia Bluffsand now the recreation of the Lido I feel like Iím dreaming! 😂One serious question... will the course be listed as a CB Macdonald design or a Doak design? Or, a collaboration?
I've been following the progress of both the Sand Valley Lido and Ballyshear with great interest. One thing that struck me about the latter is that the course appears (at least in photos) incredibly manicured. I don't necessarily mean the greens/fairways, but more the areas off the fairways and around the bunkers. I know their concept isn't an exact replica, but looking at photos of the original, one of the coolest parts for me seemed to be the conditioning of the non-mowed surfaces, and how 'rough' it looked. I'm sure you can create the Lido down to the square inch, but without that same rugged, adventurous conditioning, can any course ever truly capture the essence of what the lost Lido was? Apologies if this was covered before - had a scan through some threads, but couldn't find anything on this specific point, but might have missed it!
It took me a minute to place that last photo -- the bottom part of it is the 17th fairway, playing from right to left. You'd think that such rugged contours would be around a green somewhere, but you'd be wrong: those are in the landing area, if you play the tee shot to the left of center. Macdonald wanted to reward a good drive down the right with more roll-out and an easier stance for the carry over the cross bunkers.
Wonderful project and highly anticipated as there aren't many new courses being built period nowadays. Add the history of the project and it is intriguing. Question would be since the creation is so predicated on replicating as much as possible the original Lido, what special maintenance practices would be needed as compared to the other SV courses? Maybe losing green sizes/dimensions over time or bunker configurations, etc?
Iíve been following the terrific course construction photos posted by Brian Schneider on Instagram.They seem to highlight, at least to me, how golf was once an obstacle course game, albeit one played with a stick and a ball.Shame that the obstacle course nature of the game is something thatís been lost to golf over the decades.Atb
Iíve been following the terrific course construction photos posted by Brian Schneider on Instagram.