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Fortification greens
Thomas Dai:
Green or green complexes on courses a century or more ago were sometimes described as fortifications and words like battlements and parapets were occasionally used too.
What in particular has happened within the game to alter the perception that greens should be 'protected' or 'defended' in the kind of way such terms describe?
Changes in general architectural philosophy, construction techniques, equipment, maintenance, the rules, the desire for 'fairness', etc etc.
Are there any particular greens or green complexes built in the last few decades that could reasonably be described using terms like fortification, battlement, parapet etc?
Thoughts.
atb
Kyle Harris:
Thomas,
How much of these description were the result of green complexes resembling such earthworks like redoubts and redans, among others?
So you have pushed-up greens with steep edges on all sites that resemble on small-scale famous fortifications like Chapultepec, Hougoumont, and whatever it was they attacked during the Boer Wars.
archie_struthers:
;D
I haven't seen any modern ones that fit the description. However the most amazing one I know of was the 11th hole at the CC of Charleston. To this day I have never seen a par three scare the best players more than this one.
Played it in the Azalea Invitational back in 1981 and it was quite amazing, Sam Snead once made 13 there in a tournament and Ben Hogan said that the CC had 17 good holes. 175 yards of stark terror.
Tim Martin:
--- Quote from: archie_struthers on March 31, 2020, 08:04:57 AM --- ;D
I haven't seen any modern ones that fit the description. However the most amazing one I know of was the 11th hole at the CC of Charleston. To this day I have never seen a par three scare the best players more than this one.
Played it in the Azalea Invitational back in 1981 and it was quite amazing, Sam Snead once made 13 there in a tournament and Ben Hogan said that the CC had 17 good holes. 175 yards of stark terror.
--- End quote ---
Archie-Despite seeing plenty of pictures it was a holy shit moment when I played the hole. Can’t imagine seeing it for the first time in a stroke play tournament. :o
David_Tepper:
Aren't certain green complexes known as Spion Kop?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spion_Kop_(mountain)
There was a thread here about this a number of years ago.
Here it is, from 2009:
https://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,32747.0.html
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