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Wade Whitehead

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Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« on: January 14, 2020, 04:18:12 PM »
What great golf courses begin and end with par fives?

Off the top of my head, I can't think of any.

WW
EDIT: My question is supposed to say/mean "I haven't played a great golf course that begins and ends with par fives, but I'm sure they are out there."  Appreciate the responses!
« Last Edit: January 14, 2020, 06:59:50 PM by Wade Whitehead »
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Dan_Callahan

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2020, 04:20:52 PM »
Taconic Golf Club in Williamstown MA does. As does Chambers Bay.
« Last Edit: January 14, 2020, 04:24:15 PM by Dan_Callahan »
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Ben Hollerbach

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2020, 04:25:37 PM »
Baltusrol Lower
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Daryl David

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2020, 04:49:32 PM »
I leave the judgement of “great” to others, but Cabot Cliffs does.
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Michael Moore

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2020, 04:52:17 PM »
Spanish Bay, to this Yankee a very fine course.
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Alex Miller

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2020, 04:59:35 PM »
San Francisco Golf Club does.
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James Boon

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2020, 05:06:18 PM »
Royal County Down does.


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Terry Lavin

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2020, 07:30:38 PM »
Olympia Fields North as originally laid out had this feature but the 18th was changed to a par 4 because of equipment issues and lack of resistance to par. Appropriately so, I might opine. It’s now a very demanding two shotter for players with real talent while it was a rather easy and uninteresting three shotter for most players.
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Ted Sirbaugh

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2020, 07:33:04 PM »
Streamsong Black does
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jeffwarne

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2020, 09:29:07 PM »
Atlantic does-though not the original routing
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2020, 08:54:56 AM »
I think my only course to do so is (was?) Black Forest, which had five par 5's overall.  It's good, not great.
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Tim Martin

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2020, 09:05:22 AM »
Oak Island GC-Caswell Beach, NC







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Craig Moore

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2020, 09:46:18 AM »
The Greywalls course at the Marquette Golf Club Starts and Ends with a par 5
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Andrew Hastie

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2020, 09:44:21 AM »
In the Netherlands, De Pan, Hilversumse and the Royal Hague all begin and end with par fives.
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Jonathan Mallard

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2020, 10:17:35 AM »
Quote from: Wade Whitehead on January 14, 2020, 04:18:12 PM
What great golf courses begin and end with par fives?

Off the top of my head, I can't think of any.

WW
EDIT: My question is supposed to say/mean "I haven't played a great golf course that begins and ends with par fives, but I'm sure they are out there."  Appreciate the responses!


Why can't you reverse the 9s at Ballyhack?
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2020, 11:25:30 AM »

Cowboys GC in Texas does that.  I can't think of any others I have done, but I am certainly not opposed to it. 


Theoretically, hole 1 ought to be a true par 5 (which 1 at Cowboys is not) to avoid a backup on the first hole.  Of course, 18 should be a reachable par 5, under the theory that they buy more beer at the clubhouse when they finish with a birdie, LOL.
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Paul Jones

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2020, 12:04:45 PM »
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Matthew Rose

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2020, 12:17:12 PM »
I can think of two but they aren't really "great"
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Adrian_Stiff

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2020, 12:32:27 PM »
Birkdale used to be a par 5 start and finish but both are now par 4s.
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Joe Hancock

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2020, 01:46:35 PM »
Quote from: Adrian_Stiff on January 16, 2020, 12:32:27 PM
Birkdale used to be a par 5 start and finish but both are now par 4s.


But that’s a different problem.... :)
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Mike_Trenham

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2020, 08:07:40 AM »
Broad Run Golfers Club - West Chester, PA - Rees Jones


The original routing of Gulph Mills Golf Cub -Gulph Mills, Pa - Donald Ross
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Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #21 on: January 17, 2020, 08:30:20 AM »
Carne - Composite Course / Wild Atlantic Dunes
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David Federman

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2020, 11:03:14 AM »
Two more very fine courses in the Philadelphia area - Scotland Run and Wyncote. I really enjoy both starting and finishing on par 5s.
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V. Kmetz

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #23 on: January 17, 2020, 12:24:12 PM »
The recently lauded, reno-stored Sunningdale (NY) used to do so... but as many of you know, a main thrust of the project was converting the finale into a two shot hole...with #16 lengthened to a 5 and an entirely new par 3 17th created in the re-purposing of these acres.


I don't know if the par 5 finisher was original (and thus now obliterated) or if this was a "restoration" of an original finisher, but it had been a poor, sour hole for a long-time...a near 70 degree dogleg left with heinous rough/OB on the outer right and jungly broken ground overgrowth woods on the inside left...


With the old 17th being a very stern, heroic-cum-penal one shotter, the pre-restoration Sunningdale finish was a stressful business...a lotta +4 finishes among many too many of the clean and nearly all of the unwashed.
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David Harshbarger

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Re: Beginning and Ending With Par Fives
« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2020, 11:41:50 AM »
Glen Abbey outside Toronto. Number 25 on the "Canada's Top Golf Courses" list circa 2005.  (I suspect it would be bumped from that list given subsequent construction.)
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