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Mark Pearce

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Re: Glorious GOSWICK
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2019, 02:45:12 PM »
The secretary mentioned that they are looking at changing the course to address the cramped area around the clubhouse.  There are no clear plans yet, and they are considering appointing an architect but they have in mind removing the existing 9th, moving the 1st tee and adding a new par 3 on the land North of the 6th green/7th tee.  It will be interesting to see what, if anything, they decide to do.


I was delighted that the Pests seemed to like Goswick as much as they did.

Ulrich Mayring

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Re: Glorious GOSWICK
« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2019, 06:38:52 PM »
I totally underestimated the course from reading about it versus playing it. I thought it would be a competent links course, but didn't expect such a smooth and elegant flow of holes. The routing is superb, it changes directions often enough to provide great variability - who wants to play five holes in a row into a 3 club wind? I hit a lot of different clubs and, despite occasionally playing poorly, spent little time wading through hay. I think in our foursomes match Mike Malone and I finished on the first ball.

While I'm sure not many would lament seeing the 9th hole go, I'm not sure what "cramped space around the clubhouse" entails. The first hole is superb, don't change it. The 18th is a great match decider and matches that end earlier can easily forego it. The 10th hole starts right at the clubhouse - nothing wrong with that!

Perhaps a little more quirk here or there - akin to #12, #13 and #15 - would be nice. Bring in a world-class golf architect and I'm sure the members could get a world class golf course, if that is their ambition. Leave it well enough alone and it's still pretty damn good.

Ulrich
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Jason Topp

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Re: Glorious GOSWICK
« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2019, 10:58:47 PM »
The secretary mentioned that they are looking at changing the course to address the cramped area around the clubhouse.  There are no clear plans yet, and they are considering appointing an architect but they have in mind removing the existing 9th, moving the 1st tee and adding a new par 3 on the land North of the 6th green/7th tee.  It will be interesting to see what, if anything, they decide to do.


I was delighted that the Pests seemed to like Goswick as much as they did.


It was a fabulous venue Mark.  Thanks to you and the club for sharing it.  We were lucky to experience two different winds on the two days we played and it worked well both days.


I would be more inclined to change the 18th than the 9th.  9 is on boring ground but struck me as a solid golf hole.


18 was fine on Friday into a heavy wind but on Sunday it seemed like a choice between a layup and a random crapshoot at the green.  The finishers at St. Andrews and N. Berwick present interesting strategic decisions.   I did not decipher such subtlety at Goswick. 

Sean_A

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Re: Glorious GOSWICK
« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2019, 03:11:49 AM »
I am not keen on a long walk from 8 to 10 should the 9th be removed. I wonder if the club thought to reduce the length of the 9th? The practice area to the right would then become less troublesome and therefore the trees could be removed. Of, course, it may be possible to redesign the practice area which would make the current 9th work.

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John Mayhugh

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Re: Glorious GOSWICK
« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2019, 09:07:31 AM »
I totally underestimated the course from reading about it versus playing it. I thought it would be a competent links course, but didn't expect such a smooth and elegant flow of holes. The routing is superb, it changes directions often enough to provide great variability - who wants to play five holes in a row into a 3 club wind? I hit a lot of different clubs and, despite occasionally playing poorly, spent little time wading through hay. I think in our foursomes match Mike Malone and I finished on the first ball.

While I'm sure not many would lament seeing the 9th hole go, I'm not sure what "cramped space around the clubhouse" entails. The first hole is superb, don't change it. The 18th is a great match decider and matches that end earlier can easily forego it. The 10th hole starts right at the clubhouse - nothing wrong with that!

Perhaps a little more quirk here or there - akin to #12, #13 and #15 - would be nice. Bring in a world-class golf architect and I'm sure the members could get a world class golf course, if that is their ambition. Leave it well enough alone and it's still pretty damn good.

Ulrich

I agree with Ulrich.  The course exceeded my expectations based on photos and reading.


I don't really mind the "cramped" area where 9/1/10 intersect. There's an opportunity to practice a bit of courtesy there, and doubt there are many problems.

I'm not sold on the 18th. Probably better as a par 3, but I'm sure there is reluctance to have a par 3 finishing hole. As a par 4, traffic is an issue. The hole is so short that people on the 18th tee are waiting until the green is clear, but by that time a trailing group is probably on the 17th green that you have to hit over.

Love the look of the 12th from Braid's day.

Mark Pearce

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Re: Glorious GOSWICK
« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2019, 03:22:12 PM »
ON Sunday, as we waited to play our tee shots to 18, members playing the 1st pointed out that golfers on 18 green are asked, by a sign, to stand aside and let the group behind play their tee shots, then start putting.  I suspect that would ease flow issues significantly.  They need a bigger sign!

John Mayhugh

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Re: Glorious GOSWICK
« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2019, 04:00:55 PM »
ON Sunday, as we waited to play our tee shots to 18, members playing the 1st pointed out that golfers on 18 green are asked, by a sign, to stand aside and let the group behind play their tee shots, then start putting.  I suspect that would ease flow issues significantly.  They need a bigger sign!

I tend to notice signs, but failed to see that one.

Sean_A

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Re: Glorious GOSWICK
« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2019, 05:55:10 PM »
18?  A long walk back to the tee to be left with a less than compelling tee shot?  It doesn't do much for me...and a sign in no way excuses the mediocre architecture.  Its a pitiful way to finish Goswick, but thats life.

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Mark Pearce

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Re: Glorious GOSWICK
« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2019, 02:50:23 PM »
18?  A long walk back to the tee to be left with a less than compelling tee shot?  It doesn't do much for me...and a sign in no way excuses the mediocre architecture.  Its a pitiful way to finish Goswick, but thats life.

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The walk is a pain.  The hole isn't a bad hole at all. 

Sean_A

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Re: Glorious GOSWICK
« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2019, 04:23:35 AM »
18?  A long walk back to the tee to be left with a less than compelling tee shot?  It doesn't do much for me...and a sign in no way excuses the mediocre architecture.  Its a pitiful way to finish Goswick, but thats life.

Ciao
The walk is a pain.  The hole isn't a bad hole at all.

Not bad at all is not nearly enough praise to justify the walk. It's not a great par 3 either. The bunkering doesn't seem to make sense nor does it fit with the remainder of the course. For mine, this is Goswick's weakest hole.

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Niall C

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Re: Glorious GOSWICK
« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2019, 08:40:06 AM »
18?  A long walk back to the tee to be left with a less than compelling tee shot?  It doesn't do much for me...and a sign in no way excuses the mediocre architecture.  Its a pitiful way to finish Goswick, but thats life.

Ciao


I don't know if it's that great a finishing hole as a short par 4 but I'd bet it was once a long par 3 with the tee further down the slope and probably a better hole for that.


Niall

Ulrich Mayring

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Re: Glorious GOSWICK
« Reply #36 on: September 14, 2019, 06:49:05 PM »
I suspect Goswick is a match play club. Thus you'll either finish your match on the 17th and then don't bother walking up the hill to the 18th tee. Or the match is still on in which case the 18th is a better match decider than a long par 4, where almost everyone needs three shots to reach the green.

Ulrich
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Sean_A

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Re: Glorious GOSWICK
« Reply #37 on: September 16, 2019, 05:38:46 AM »
18?  A long walk back to the tee to be left with a less than compelling tee shot?  It doesn't do much for me...and a sign in no way excuses the mediocre architecture.  Its a pitiful way to finish Goswick, but thats life.

Ciao

I don't know if it's that great a finishing hole as a short par 4 but I'd bet it was once a long par 3 with the tee further down the slope and probably a better hole for that.

Niall

Niall

You could be right.  It does seem like the bunkers are designed for par 3 and 4 play.  I wonder if the OOB shouldn't be better used and more of a legger left around the 17th created?  Mind you, to me it makes sense to create a good par 3 from around the ladies tees. 

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