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Tom_Doak

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Re: Ran's challenge
« Reply #250 on: September 12, 2018, 01:31:45 PM »
These courses from the front of Volume 5 of The Confidential Guide should DEFINITELY be on the list:


Arrowtown, NZ
Himalayan, Nepal
Ootacamund, India


Maybe also RACV Healesville, Australia which is way under 6000.
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Ira Fishman

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Re: Ran's challenge
« Reply #251 on: September 12, 2018, 02:23:56 PM »
Golspie.
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Duncan Cheslett

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Re: Ran's challenge
« Reply #252 on: September 12, 2018, 02:51:26 PM »
Quote from: Mark_Rowlinson on July 11, 2013, 01:11:30 PM

Should we try to compile a list of the top 50 qualifying courses? The list could be expanded to any number of courses you fancy. We could have separate compilations for courses under 6,250 yards, 6,000 yards and maybe even under 5,750 yards.
Going back to Mark's original post, is there any competition in the "under 5750 yards" category?

Cavendish measures 5721 yards from the tips.

Where else in the world can such quality be found in such a small package?  Even if it feels at least a thousand yards longer!
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Ran's challenge
« Reply #253 on: September 12, 2018, 03:00:18 PM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on September 12, 2018, 01:31:45 PM
These courses from the front of Volume 5 of The Confidential Guide should DEFINITELY be on the list:
Ootacamund, India

Just went looking for some details and photos. Looks a blast. Sand or mud in the bunkers? Built 1896!
atb


PS - all - might be worth checking the search engine before posting a course name. Quite a few have been nominated already.
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mike_malone

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Re: Ran's challenge
« Reply #254 on: September 12, 2018, 03:12:56 PM »
Paxon Hollow at 5709 from blue and white 5417 is a candidate.
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Kyle Casella

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Re: Ran's challenge
« Reply #255 on: September 12, 2018, 04:28:44 PM »
I believe there are two great candidates from the US that haven't been mentioned:


Cape Arundel by Walter Travis, at 5,859 par 69
Claremont CC by MacKenzie at 5,469 par 68
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George Myers

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Re: Ran's challenge
« Reply #256 on: September 12, 2018, 06:45:23 PM »
Not top 50 material, but qualifies on yardage...


Mt Prospect Golf Club, Illinois
6305 yards
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jeffwarne

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Re: Ran's challenge
« Reply #257 on: September 12, 2018, 07:26:09 PM »
Aberfoyle
5158 yards of interest and challenge
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Jay Mickle

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Re: Ran's challenge
« Reply #258 on: September 12, 2018, 10:33:51 PM »
Pinehurst #3 after the rerouting subsequent to the addition of The Cradle is now a fun 5155 yds.
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Adam Clayman

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Re: Ran's challenge
« Reply #259 on: September 14, 2018, 11:52:46 AM »
A sophisticated list should not be based on something as base as yardage.


The criteria should be what Ran wrote in one of his more recent pieces.


Sling your bag anytime, no conspicuous maintenance, etc. etc.


The real issue is the unintended consequence of uncovering hidden gems that because of their new found fame, alters everything that got them on the list in the first place.


Sound familiar?

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James Brown

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Re: Ran's challenge
« Reply #260 on: September 14, 2018, 10:05:13 PM »
Penn State White (6300, Willie Park Jr. original design from 1920s)
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Jud_T

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Re: Ran's challenge
« Reply #261 on: September 17, 2018, 09:04:21 AM »
Tom's 3 courses added to updated list above.  Waiting on a second for RACV.  As to the arbitrary yardage cutoff, this was debated extensively above for those who care to reread the entire thread.  Yes, there are courses at 6600 and 6700 yards that are really good and tons of fun, and it's understood that this wasn't Ran's original intention, but what about that course at 6750 and the one at 6800?  Ultimately you end up with a bunch of courses that have already seen lots of press and a list that looks more and more like a lot of other lists.  Yes, 6500 is a completely arbitrary cutoff.   It's also plenty of golf for a significant majority of golfers, hence the spotlight on these gems.
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Jay Revell

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Re: Ran's challenge
« Reply #262 on: September 17, 2018, 10:10:32 AM »
Capital City CC (Barker 1914, Tillinghast 1936) in Tallahassee, FL is 6502 from the tips and par of 72. The course has an incredibly enjoyable routing and the hills are unlike anything else in Florida. Tom rates her at a 6 on his scale noting the topography and majestic live oak trees. The club's recent trends in course conditions are continuing to accelerate in a highly desirable direction. I think she's never looked better. If anyone is passing through North Florida this Fall I would highly recommend stopping by. The club is now open to the public on weekdays and weekend afternoons and for less than $50 its an absolute steal of deal.
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Sean_A

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Re: Ran's challenge
« Reply #263 on: September 17, 2018, 11:58:29 AM »
Quote from: Jud_T on September 12, 2018, 12:21:34 PM
Bumped in light of the announcement of the 3rd course at Sand Valley.  5 years on, the list is open for updating and further debate...(Machrie removed after lengthening)


Addington GC, Surrey UK
Arrowtown GC, New Zealand
Askernish, South Uist, Scotland
Beau Desert, Staffordshire UK
Berkshire Red, Berkshire UK
Broadstone, Dorset UK
Brora, Sutherland, Scotland
Camberly Heath, Surrey UK
Cavendish, Derbyshire UK
CC Troy, NY
Eastward Ho!, Chatham, MA
Elie, Fife, Scotland
Fraserburgh, Aberdeenshire, Scotland
Glens Falls, Queensbury, NY
Golf de Spa, Belgium
Himalayan GC, Pokhara, Nepal
Huntercombe, Oxfordshire UK
Kawartha Golf & CC, Ontario, CA
Kington, Herefordshire, UK
Knole Park, Kent UK
Leatherstockings, Cooperstown, NY
Liphook, Hampshire, UK
Machrihanish, Argyll, Scotland
Maidstone, East Hampton, NY
New Zealand GC, Surrey, UK
Old Elm, Highland Park, IL
Ootacamund Gymkhana Club, India
Paraparaumu Beach, New Zealand
Parkstone, Dorset, UK
Pasatiempo, Santa Cruz, CA
Prestbury, Cheshire, UK
Royal West Norfolk, UK
Rye, East Sussex, UK
Saunton West, North Devon UK
South Bend CC, IN
Southern Pines, NC
Southerndown, Bridgend, Wales
St. George's, East Setauket, NY
Stoneham, Hampshire, UK
Swinley Forest, Birkshire, UK
Tandridge, Surrey, UK
The Creek, Locust Valley, NY
Turfvaert, Rijsbergen, Netherlands
West Sussex, UK
White Bear Yacht Club, Dellwood, MN
Worplesdon, Surrey, UK

I think Perranporth and Crail belong.  I would certainly trade them against S Pines (really...or is this Ran bootlicking?) and Stoneham....even though I really like Stoneham. 

Ciao
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Thomas Dai

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Re: Ran's challenge
« Reply #264 on: September 17, 2018, 02:09:57 PM »
There seems to be a relationship between the courses mentioned in this thread and many of the courses mentioned in Rans 147 Custodians thread - http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,66302.0.html
Atb
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Matthew Mollica

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Re: Ran's challenge
« Reply #265 on: September 19, 2018, 08:35:03 AM »
Great nomination of RACV Healesville by Tom. Superb set of greens, within an intriguing and fun course. Totally belongs in this discussion.
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