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114 from the intermediate tees118 from the regular tees121 from the back tees128 from the medal tees...
"To easy". I would humbly suggest that no course should be considered "to easy" by handicap players until they can shoot under par every time they play it.atb
Quote from: David Davis on May 17, 2017, 09:43:19 AM114 from the intermediate tees118 from the regular tees121 from the back tees128 from the medal tees...This site has long suggested that the a measure of the best courses could be high course rating, with low slope rating.Does Gamble Sands win this criteria?
Quote from: Garland Bayley on May 18, 2017, 01:51:15 PMQuote from: David Davis on May 17, 2017, 09:43:19 AM114 from the intermediate tees118 from the regular tees121 from the back tees128 from the medal tees...This site has long suggested that the a measure of the best courses could be high course rating, with low slope rating.Does Gamble Sands win this criteria?From the tips slope = 128 and course rating = 74.2. If I did the arithmetic right, that means bogey golfer is expected to shoot around 98. That does not sound easy to me, either as a score by itself or compared to what the scratch player might shoot. Actually it sounds harder for bogey compared to scratch.
The concept of a course being hard or easy is always related to the golfer because they are subjective terms....regardless of however someone wants to apply math to suggest objectivity. I never pay attention to handicap players when they talk about a course being easy. Their (which is me) spectrum of course difficulty doesn't include easy...it starts somewhere around if I am playing very well... Ciao
Garland, what have you shot there?
Last year at the Washington State Mid-Am, we played GS from the tips on most of the holes (so 7050ish yards) with greens rolling at 11+. At those green speeds, the greens play very different than at their regular 8 (I have played them at 8 a half dozen times). And those contours have negligible impact on strategy at 8, but at 11 they feed the ball away from the hole; long distances from holes on those huge greens. Therefore, you are thinking about the pin position on the tee box, because you know that you can't get at certain pins from certain places in the fairway; at least the places I knew I was going to be. Because of the firm and fast greens, the only way to get to some hole locations is to bounce the ball onto the green; much like links courses in Scotland. But when they put the pins at the edges of the contours that do exist, it is very hard to get near the pin no matter what you do. That places a premium on lag putting from 40-60 feet which we faced a lot under the fast green speeds and because of the longer clubs required to hit 470 yard par fours and 225 yard par threes; let's be honest, you don't have a lot of spin on the club you are hitting from 200+ yards unless you are a tour pro, so the ball is going to be rolling on the fairway or on the green, and at 11 those contours became very evident.Tom Doak is correct, a lot of the short game is less imaginative at GS, because you are typically faced with either of two shots: in a bunker, or from a tight lie to a green that is on the same level as your ball; no mounds, hillocks or raised greens like Scottish/Irish links courses which requires a different type of shot not found at GS. You can leave your 60 degree at home; not much need for it around the greens.Honestly, having played the course when it was set-up to test better players, I preferred the greens at the faster speeds. The 7000+ distance was too long for this 54 year old, 5 handicap, but I did like the faster greens; which is not something I typically say; typically I prefer something on the 8-9 range for most courses, but I thought the faster greens at GS enhanced the course because it made the greens more interesting and enhanced the strategy of the course by making you worry about the pin on the tee box.
Just a quick bump here again as I finally made the trip out to Gamble Sands about a week ago now.I'd say it's definitely not too easy but yes many people could have or eventually have their best rounds there as there are quite a number of scoring opportunties. I played a few times and from different tees. A mix of back and the next tees forward and also one round entirely from one tee forward. The scoring opportunities alloted me with two rare eagles, one a par 5 and one on a par 4. The par 5 7th hole is really a long par 4 but I'm told wind sometimes blows against which would greatly change this. I had relatively little wind, at least compared to home. However everytime I played that hole I made birdie or better without ever having to hit more than an iron into the green. Given I'm not that long it really only had to do with the firmness of the course which is in no way a complaint. I love that aspect of it.Indeed as already mentioned the greens are very large and rather gentle in their undulations however, it's still a resort course in an obscure location and at the end of the day what will make it survive? Ball breaking difficulty or the fun factor of making your first birdie or two or shooting your best score etc. From the tips I'd doubt a bogey golfer would play anywhere near their hcp as there are too many long carries. However, move them up where they belong and they might just have the time of their lives. Gamble Sands could be the antithesis to the Castle Course with it's tricked up greens and difficulty levels. The greens weren't particularly fast maybe 9 but that was plenty fast for the circumstances. Now if only they could blow all the forest fire smoke away which was crazy at times leaving a blackhole sun on the first day.One thing is certain for me, Gamble Sands will receive a lot of repeat play from the local areas and I guess that's exactly what they need to survive and thrive there. The accommodation is excellent and the putting green course they put in I believe recently was super fun to play with a beer in the evening. On top of that there may be another course on the way. Washington's competition for Bandon...me thinks. Great things are happening in Brewster, WA.
I walked a couple rounds and took a golfboard for the first time ever to try it the last round. I enjoyed trying the golfboard but wouldn't do it again as I couldn't find my rythm with my golf while using it but did manage to find out how far you could push the board to the point of two pretty bad crashes. I found out you can take them pretty deep to the ground like windsurfing but it's very tricky to keep ahold of the throttle lever in the middle while doing so and when my hand slipped off the throttle it was game over ...