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Tim Martin

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Re: Female and short hitter golf participation
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2024, 11:29:15 AM »
With the advent of rated combo tees popping up virtually everywhere I don’t know of better solution than colored tee markers. Arrows on the scorecard tell you which tee to play on each hole with no guesswork involved.

Ira Fishman

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Re: Female and short hitter golf participation
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2024, 11:33:17 AM »
With the advent of rated combo tees popping up virtually everywhere I don’t know of better solution than colored tee markers. Arrows on the scorecard tell you which tee to play on each hole with no guesswork involved.


Tim,


As noted above, our club eliminated colors in favor of names. There are two rated hybrid tees, and they both are named based on club history.


Ira

Matt Schoolfield

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Re: Female and short hitter golf participation
« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2024, 03:12:11 AM »
As someone who inherited my grandfathers clubs, perhaps a "hickory" and "persimmon" tees are a solution, with the tee boxes set to those colors. I already want to play from very short tees when I use those clubs, perhaps it would give plausible deniability for folks "just wanting to see what golf was like back then" when they get bullied by fellow members.
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Niall C

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Re: Female and short hitter golf participation
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2024, 05:26:56 AM »
Gentlemen, gentlemen, gentlemen. Surely you are approaching this from the wrong angle !
 
I’m absolutely certain you know how far you hit your drives to the last inch; same for your fairway woods and hybrids. Surely from that you can calculate the length of the hole required to allow you to hit the green in regulation ?
 
That done, you can then find the optimal spot in the fairway for the tee by use of a GPS device (you’re bound to have one). At that point you just whip out your own personalised tee markers (any colour you want) plant them in the ground and play from there, simple !
 
Niall
 
Ps. Maybe they could offer personalised tee markers with every MacKenzie Walker bag sold ?

Mark_Fine

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Re: Female and short hitter golf participation
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2024, 07:06:16 AM »
Niall,
The technology is available and soon there will be an app that will calculate a handicap for you from essentially any starting point.  I know some here don’t care for handicaps but like it or not it is part of golf.  Unlike knowing how far to the inch we all hit our drives, without official handicaps, some golfers wouldn’t remember that they usually shoot around 75 and not the 85 that they stated for the tournament they just entered  ;) 

Thomas Dai

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Re: Female and short hitter golf participation
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2024, 07:55:19 AM »
Revisiting and paraphrasing Lynes words as quoted in the opening post, short hitters like to make gross pars and gross birdies and even gross eagles too. And not just nett ones either. And they ain’t the same when achieved from some random spot in the fairway as from a formal teeing area.
Atb


PS - guess it’s best not to mention longer hitters playing a significantly rolled-back ball from the forward tees! :):):)
« Last Edit: April 04, 2024, 08:01:34 AM by Thomas Dai »

A.G._Crockett

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Re: Female and short hitter golf participation
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2024, 08:02:31 AM »
Revisiting and paraphrasing Lynes words as quoted in the opening post, short hitters like to make gross pars and gross birdies and even gross eagles too. And not just nett ones either. And they ain’t the same when achieved from some random spot in the fairway as from a formal teeing area.

Atb


Correct.  I don’t think many golfers, regardless of gender or length off the tee, are going to buy into random teeing locations vs a particular set of tees.  Not to mention that you’d be eliminated from any sort of regular group or competition.
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Brian Finn

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Re: Female and short hitter golf participation
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2024, 11:43:37 AM »
I like clubs that eliminate the "middleman" of colors or names from tees and simply go directly with the 4400 tees, 5200, 6300, etc.  Why not choose something that directly informs the golfer, rather than mess with colors, sports teams' names, etc?
Watching the Iona Stephen video at Comporta, I noticed that the Dunas course tees were labeled in this exact manner.  They have 66, 62, 57, 50, 44, and 38 tees, corresponding to the distance of the course from those tees (in meters).  Setting aside the need for six sets, I thought this naming convention made sense. 

dunas-scorecard.pdf (comporta.com)
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Ken Moum

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Re: Female and short hitter golf participation
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2024, 05:08:38 PM »
Watching the Iona Stephen video at Comporta, I noticed that the Dunas course tees were labeled in this exact manner.  They have 66, 62, 57, 50, 44, and 38 tees, corresponding to the distance of the course from those tees (in meters).  Setting aside the need for six sets, I thought this naming convention made sense. 

dunas-scorecard.pdf (comporta.com)


Thanks for the heads up, I'm up for an Iona Stephen video pretty much any time.  What's funny is that as an American I had never heard of her until she played Crail with Rick Sheils.
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George Pazin

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Re: Female and short hitter golf participation
« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2024, 11:54:36 AM »
One of the reasons I don't really post much anymore on here is I actually took some advice from John Kav and started playing more and verbalizing less. I joined some friends in a Tuesday afternoon league, and it's been a lot of fun.


But one of the thing I've learned is that, as soon as the game becomes about competition between oneself and others, the game of golf starts to reflect the many flaws we have as a culture/society. Far too many people look for excuses as to why they losing, rather than understanding the obvious: you are only in control of you, ultimately, and that's where your focus should be. But that doesn't stop the many guys in our league who are under 65 from complaining about the few guys who are over and playing from the senior tees, as we call them. They notice the one time they are a little behind their senior opponent, and ignore the many times they are past, and they don't think at all about which club each are hitting into a green. It's just b*tch b*tch b*tch.


John Kav also wisely noted that I was the reason I was a HHer, it was my choice. He was right about that as well. I've become more sensitive to distance issues as I've developed physical limitations, but I will say, overall, I think the thinking of many, maybe even most, maybe even the deepest thinking architects, is greatly flawed as to how people actually play the game. I think the game of golf is far too complex to be solved by simply "playing the right tees".


I don't think the colors versus numbers of tee markers solves much, people will simply complain about the numbers. Semantic arguments never made much sense to me (but don't say that to your wife, she will get angry! :)).
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A.G._Crockett

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Re: Female and short hitter golf participation
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2024, 06:03:23 PM »
One of the reasons I don't really post much anymore on here is I actually took some advice from John Kav and started playing more and verbalizing less. I joined some friends in a Tuesday afternoon league, and it's been a lot of fun.


But one of the thing I've learned is that, as soon as the game becomes about competition between oneself and others, the game of golf starts to reflect the many flaws we have as a culture/society. Far too many people look for excuses as to why they losing, rather than understanding the obvious: you are only in control of you, ultimately, and that's where your focus should be. But that doesn't stop the many guys in our league who are under 65 from complaining about the few guys who are over and playing from the senior tees, as we call them. They notice the one time they are a little behind their senior opponent, and ignore the many times they are past, and they don't think at all about which club each are hitting into a green. It's just b*tch b*tch b*tch.


John Kav also wisely noted that I was the reason I was a HHer, it was my choice. He was right about that as well. I've become more sensitive to distance issues as I've developed physical limitations, but I will say, overall, I think the thinking of many, maybe even most, maybe even the deepest thinking architects, is greatly flawed as to how people actually play the game. I think the game of golf is far too complex to be solved by simply "playing the right tees".


I don't think the colors versus numbers of tee markers solves much, people will simply complain about the numbers. Semantic arguments never made much sense to me (but don't say that to your wife, she will get angry! :) ).
Great post, George; thank you for taking the time to write this.
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Mark_Fine

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Re: Female and short hitter golf participation
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2024, 06:46:22 PM »
I joined Lehigh CC in 1997.  I always remember taking my youngest son to play golf with me for his first round on what he called the big course when he was four.  Thank goodness I didn’t make him start each hole with me from the tips  ;D  He would have not only worn himself out navigating his way to the hole, but we would have held up anyone behind us for days (or spent half our afternoon waving groups through).  He had three clubs in his bag at the time and it was all about bonding with my son about making sure he had fun and developed a love for the game.  One can agree or not agree but where we started each hole helped a lot.  As he got better we adjusted those locations. 


I still consider myself a purist, but I have definitely softened my feelings about where golf holes should start.


Note:  I literally just got back from taking my wife to the range at a resort course in SC.  She is a 36 handicap coming back from a rotator cuff tear.  I watched dozens of golfers hitting on that range and it only made me more convinced about all the shorter tees we’ve been adding at ALL our projects  ;) 
« Last Edit: April 06, 2024, 11:36:02 AM by Mark_Fine »

Sean_A

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Re: Female and short hitter golf participation
« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2024, 10:23:07 AM »
I have never believed in the mega tee approach to design. That said, I do think every effort should be made to create a set of tees which flows from the previous green. It doesn’t have to be the same set…no problem with combo tees. Wait I hate is walking a decent distance just to reach a tee…especially backward. Ideally, every course should have a primary focus of tees with the other few sets for when it makes architectural sense for increased/decreased challenge. But even if it is a combo set, there should always be a good walk set of tees.


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Niall C

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Re: Female and short hitter golf participation
« Reply #38 on: April 07, 2024, 06:00:26 AM »
I joined Lehigh CC in 1997.  I always remember taking my youngest son to play golf with me for his first round on what he called the big course when he was four.  Thank goodness I didn’t make him start each hole with me from the tips  ;D   


I'm so relieved to hear that. Presumably he played the 4,800 yard course ? Can you remember what he shot ?


Niall

Mark_Fine

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Re: Female and short hitter golf participation
« Reply #39 on: April 07, 2024, 01:27:39 PM »
Niall,
Might have been more like 2000 yards if we had played all 18 holes but we started with playing three holes and worked our way up.  I do remember his first “par”.  Even four year old kids know what par is  ;)

Wayne_Kozun

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Re: Female and short hitter golf participation
« Reply #40 on: April 07, 2024, 09:44:54 PM »
Slightly adjacent to the main theme of this thread, but it is interesting to watch the ANWA and see ANGC from a very different set of tees, presumably more like the regular members' tees. 

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