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If you're a 14 handicap, and you make five on a par 4,,,,are you dropping a shot?
How many here have actually gone to golf course (especially a public course where most golfers play) and just sat and watched golfers play? I have done this often just to help get a better appreciation for golfers and I would encourage you to try it sometime. With all due respect, how someone plays often has little to do with the architecture. We did work out at Griffith Park in Los Angeles on the Wilson and Harding Golf courses. I remember sitting there for quite a long time watching golfers play and you would be amazed where they hit the golf ball or don't hit the golf ball and just top it off the tee or hit is sideways out of the fairway or rough. Many are just trying to make solid contact and move it forward. The par of the hole doesn't really matter.
Any par 4 over 425 yards is basically a par 5 for me. I'm not going to hit the green in two 95% of the time.As an 11 handicap however, I will always have a shot on those holes, so I'm happy to use it.A par is a bonus.Long par 3s can come into the same category.
Only thing is Duncan, that off 11 you are pretty unlikely to have a stroke on a long par-3 as only very rarely are they ever a low, even a middling SI. Another area where your point on another thread about SI use/calculation becomes valid.