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I look at Torrey Pines and it seems like it had everything going for it to become a great golf course. Dramatic site, great climate for golf, ocean views, windy conditions at times... Yet (and I must admit I've only seen it on TV) I can only think of one memorable hole there (the downhill par three on the front 9 with the ocean behind it in the distance). William Bell had a prolific career and spent time working with George Thomas, yet this course seems to fall short of its potential. I know some renovation work was done to prepare the course for a National Open, but to me, the holes still seem to fall short of what the site offered. If given this land as a blank canvas, couldn't someone else have done more with it? What is the course missing? Or is it me who is missing the mark on my assessment?TS
For courses like Torrey I often think, what would this course be without frequent PGA Tour stops? In Torrey's case I doubt we would ever cover it.
Quote from: Cal Seifert on January 29, 2018, 05:34:22 PMFor courses like Torrey I often think, what would this course be without frequent PGA Tour stops? In Torrey's case I doubt we would ever cover it. 2 Renovations less than is there now....I doubt they could have afforded to do it.
You guys want a comparison of Tour courses. I played Harbor Town last week. An obvious GCA masterpiece both simple and complex in its execution. How about a match play. Torrey wins 6 and 5...Sorry. Or maybe you want to talk about all the courses you guys love because of ocean views. I get why people who can't play ANGC hate the place, I'll never understand why the people who refuse to play Torrey hate it.
Ted,The courses were built by William Francis Bell, the son of William Park Bell. The father was the one who had talent and worked with George Thomas. WPB died before construction began in 1957. Although WFB built numerous golf courses here in So. Cal. none are deemed great. The sight was a former US Army base Camp Callin, which certainly removed any interesting micro undulations. Bell was also told to stay away from the canyons and the nearby State Torrey Pines Preserve in the original design. When Rees Jones did the redesign in 2001 he was given permission to move 3 green sites on the South course to the Canyon edge; that being the 3rd, 4th and 14th holes. The original layout had the old 1,2 & 3 from the North course as the first 3 holes; that's why the current South nines don't return to the Clubhouse. The 11th, 12th & 13th were built later so the North course could be built incorporating the original first 3 holes. The biggest knock on the South course is it has only 2 holes that dogleg 6 & 7, the rest are all dead straight. The only way to create something really special would have been to blow up both layouts and use the land to create one great course instead of 2 average ones. The City didn't want to loose the revenue from 2 courses so that was a non-starter.
[quote author=Pete Lavallee link=topic=65504.msg1562797#msg1562797 date=1517261540Pete, not sure I understand. Are you saying Rees changed the routing of the first 3 holes of the South course, and that before that the front nine on the South returned to the clubhouse?