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Sven Nilsen

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #100 on: February 28, 2018, 12:23:12 PM »
In 1925 Ross was spending quite a bit of time in Florida, with nearly a dozen courses underway.  One of those projects was referred to rather cryptically in the article below.

July 2, 1925 Indianapolis News -



Following up on the similarities between Ross and Flynn noted earlier in the thread, it makes sense to note their working relationship while constructing three courses for Mizner at Boca Raton.  Ross was certainly the senior statesman of the two, and Flynn would have been familiar with the work Ross had previously completed in the Philadelphia area.  It isn't a stretch to say that Ross must have been a large influence on Flynn as he developed his own style.

June 7, 1925 Palm Beach Post -



I've started adding in additional course maps (as well as other articles and items that have popped up or been forwarded to me).  On the maps, there are distinctive styles dependent on which associate was involved with the project.  You can almost tell a McGovern or Hatch project without even looking at the writing.  For some courses the plans were drawn up by agencies outside of the Ross family, often by a landscape architect like Arthur Helder out of Kansas City.  Helder's plans (like those for Teugega and Thendara) are some of the more beautiful to be found in the Ross portfolio. 
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #101 on: February 28, 2018, 01:53:56 PM »
1926


Roseland Golf and Curling Club (Windsor, Ont.) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

1926 Ross Plan -



June 22, 1928 Detroit Free Press -




Wellshire Golf Club (Denver, CO) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

Aug. 13, 1931 Chillicothe Constitution-Tribune -



1924 Ross/Hatch Plan -




Country Club of Waterbury (Waterbury, CT) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

1926 Ross Plan




Dunedin Country Club (o/k/a Dunedin Isles GC) (Dunedin, FL) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

Reports from 1924 note an 18 hole course being built with 9 holes ready for play.  The first reports for Ross' involvement appear in early 1926 and note he was to lay out an 18 hole course.

Dunedin remains of interest as it was purchased by the PGA after WWII and became the first iteration of PGA National GC.  The PGA would later relocate to the east coast of Florida, and the course reverted to its former name.

Feb. 7, 1926 Tampa Tribune -



May 9, 1926 Tampa Tribune



1926 Photos -





Photo from Golf Architecture in America -



1926 Ross Plan -



April 29, 1945 Chicago Tribune -




Melbourne Golf Course (o/k/a Crane Creek Reserve GC) (Melbourne, FL) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

There was an existing 9 hole course here prior to Ross' arrival.  The Annual Guides in the mid-20's note that an additional 18 hole course was under construction.  Not sure if the original 9 were incorporated into the new Ross course, or if this was a completely separate 18 hole routing.

1926 Photos -





1926 Ross Plan -



Oct. 1, 1938 Orlando Sentinel -




Pinecrest Country Club (o/k/a Pinecrest on Lotela) (Avon Park, FL) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

I don't have anything on Ross here.  An Aug. 2, 1925 Palm Beach Post article notes Bertie Way as the designer, while a much later Feb. 3, 1945 The Evening Independent article notes the course was designed and built by Adrian Kouwenhoven, a name I am not very familiar with in the GCA world.


Athens Country Club (Athens, GA) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

April 21, 1926 Tampa Tribune -



May 8, 1927 Chattanooga Daily Times -




Forrest Hills Golf Club (Augusta, GA) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

The original plan was for two 18 hole courses.

May 22, 1926 Boston Globe -



April 1927 Golf Illustrated -



1926 Ross Plan -




Roosevelt Memorial Golf Course (o/k/a Warm Springs GC) (Warm Springs, GA) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

Ross laid out two 18 hole courses here.  Only 9 were ever built.

June 17, 1926 Anniston Star -



Sept. 4, 1927 Atlanta Constitution -



1926 Ross Plan -




Savannah - Municipal #1 (n/k/a Bacon Park GC) (Savannah, GA) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence
Savannah - Municipal #2 (Savannah, GA) - 18 Holes, Design Only in 1926
Savannah- Municipal #3 (Savannah, GA) - 18 Holes, Design Only in 1926
Savannah- Municipal #4 (Savannah, GA) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, NLE

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 36 holes.

Of the four planned courses, only two were built.  It would be interesting to know the reasons for cutting the entire project short.

May 1925 Golf Illustrated -



Jan. 2, 1926 New York Sun -



April 16, 1927 New York Evening Post -



1925 Ross Plan -




Lucerne Golf Club (o/k/a Lucerne-in-Maine CC) (Holden, ME) - 9 Holes, New in 1926, NLE

Not included in the 1930RB.

May 1926 Golf Illustrated -



July 9, 1926 Boston Globe -



June 3, 1928 Baltimore Sun -



1926 Ross Plan -




Franklin Hills Country Club (Franklin, MI) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

July 2, 1939 Detroit Free Press -



1926 Ross Plan -




Hawthorne Valley Golf Club (Westland, MI) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

[To be updated]


Cape Fear Country Club (Wilmington, NC) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Remodel in 1946, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

I don't have anything Ross here in 1926, but his 1946 work is well documented.  The club expanded from 9 to 18 holes around 1919, as noted in the Annual Guides.  The Guides also note a jump in yardage by about 300 yards in 1926, which coincides with the date given for Ross' first work here, but I haven't seen anything to confirm this was an entirely new course.

Early Photo -



May 10, 1946 Wilmington Morning Star -



1946 Ross/McGovern plan -




Country Club Estates (Hendersonville, NC) - 18 Holes, Design in 1926

Not included in the 1930RB.

Pretty sure this is the same course covered in the listing for Hendersonville/Laurel Park in the 1925 Listing.


Greensboro Country Club (Irving Park Course) (Greensboro, NC) - 18 Holes, New in 1926-28, Still in Existence

2018 DRS Update - Date changed to 1924-28

Not included in the 1930RB.

I don't have anything on Ross here.


Grove Park Inn & Country Club (o/k/a Asheville CC) - 18 Holes, Remodel in 1926, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

As noted in the 1918 Additions, Ross was here earlier.  Ross did make recommendations in 1924, but I can find nothing discussing any work in 1926.

Sept. 19, 1924 New York Evening Post -




Sedgefield Country Club #2 (Blue) (Greensboro, NC) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 36 holes.

Sept. 3, 1925 Charlotte Observer -



Jan. 1926 Golf Illustrated -



1924 Ross Plan -




Wilmington Golf Course (Wilmington, NC) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence

2018 DRS Update - Date changed to 1925

Not included in the 1930RB.

May 5, 1925 Charlotte Observer -



1925 Ross Plan -



March 23, 1947 Wilmington Morning Star -




Kingswood Golf Club (Wolfeboro, NH) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930 Ross Booklet.

I don't have anything on Ross here.


Brook Lea Country Club (Rochester, NY) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

Plans were for 27 holes here, only 18 were built.

June 5, 1924 Rochester Democrat and Chronicle -



May 2, 1928 Rochester Democrat and Chronicle -



May 7, 1935 Rochester Times Union -





1925 Ross Plan -




Country Club of Buffalo (Williamsville, NY) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

April 10, 1923 Buffalo Morning Express -



1923 Ross Plan -




Congress Lake Club (Hartville, OH) - 18 Holes, Remodel in 1926, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

The course was laid out by Willie Park in 1924.  I don't have anything on Ross' involvement.


Hawthorne Valley Country Club (Solon, OH) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

The article below notes the course was designed by Frank Pelton and F. T. Stafford.

May 2, 1928 Cleveland Plain Dealer -




Hyde Park Golf & Country Club (Cincinnati, OH) - 18 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence

2018 DRS Update - Date changed to 1920

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

As noted in the 1922 Additions, Ross' work here was earlier than 1926.


Lancaster Country Club (Lancaster, OH) - 9 Holes, Remodel in 1926, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

If I'm reading the article below correctly, it appears that McGovern inspected the course and suggested leaving things as they were.  It is possible they decided to make changes anyway and Ross was still involved.

Oct. 29, 1926 Lancaster Eagle-Gazette -




Westwood Golf Club (Richmond, VA) - 18 Holes, Remodel in 1926, NLE

Not included in the 1930RB.

It should be noted that the course isn't listed in the Annual Guides until 1931 with a date of organization of 1927 and 27 holes.

1926 Ross Plan -




Woodberry Forest Golf Course (Woodberry Forest, VA) - 9 Holes, New in 1926, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

I don't have anything on Ross here.
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"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Sven Nilsen

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #102 on: February 28, 2018, 03:31:54 PM »
1926 (cont.)


Additions:


CC of Laurel (Laurel, MS)

Not included in the 1930RB.

See the Jan. 1926 Golf Illustrated article above under Sedgefield in the 1926 Listing noting Ross was to add 36 holes to the existing 18 hole course.


Princess Anne CC (Virginia Beach, VA)

Not included in the 1930RB.

The course is credited to Willie Park, but ads published in the mid-20's noted this as a Donald Ross course.

June 13, 1926 Brooklyn Daily Eagle -




In 1926, the city of Fort Myers, FL was looking to build a new municipal golf course, and they planned to seek out Donald Ross for the design.  Instead of a new course, the city ended up purchasing the existing Fort Myers Golf & Yacht Club, revitalizing the course which had seen irrigation issues and 9 holes abandoned.

Feb. 2, 1926 Tampa Tribune -




Here's another Ross project on Long Island that never came to fruition (the article was sourced by Benjamin Litman).

Nov. 18, 1926 The County Review -



Another bit of a mystery from 1926 involves a proposed resort near Greenville, NC where Ross' name was involved. 

Jan. 4, 1926 Greenville News -

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"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Chris_Blakely

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #103 on: February 28, 2018, 07:09:39 PM »
Lucerne-In-Maine is stil around.


I played last summer on a trip through Maine.


The layout matches Ross' plan, but the order had changed:
3 is now 1, 4 is now 2, 5 is now 3, you go across road for 4 through 7 and 1/2 are now 8 and 9.


The only hole that appears different from his plan is the original 6 (current 4th).  Dogleg has been eliminated or was not built.


Chris


Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #104 on: February 28, 2018, 07:25:28 PM »
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"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Cob Carlson

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #105 on: February 28, 2018, 10:14:23 PM »
Amazing photo of Ross and Flynn. Have never seen it before.

Sven Nilsen

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #106 on: March 01, 2018, 12:12:02 AM »
1927


Country Club of Birmingham - East (Birmingham, AL) - 18 Holes, New in 1927, Still in Existence

2018 DRS Update - Date changed to 1926.

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 36 holes.

June 7, 1932 Atlanta Constitution -




Algonquin Hotel & Golf Club (St. Andrews-By-The-Sea, NB, Can.) - 27 Holes, New and Remodel in 1927, NLE in 1996

Not included in the 1930RB.

I don't have anything on Ross here.


Havana Biltmore Yacht & Country Club (Havana, Cuba) - 18 Holes, New in 1927, NLE

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

Sept. 18, 1927 Tampa Tribune -



Feb. 12, 1928 Miami News -






Bobby Jones Golf Course - British/American (o/k/a Sarasota Muny) (Sarasota, FL) - 18 Holes, New in 1927, Still in Existence

2018 DRS Update - Date changed to 1926

Not included in the 1930RB.

Oct. 29, 1925 Tampa Tribune -



1925 Ross Plan -




Fort George Island Golf Club (Jacksonville, FL) - 9 Holes, New in 1927, NLE in 1989

Not included in the 1930RB.

I don't have anything on Ross here.


Panama Country Club (Lynnhaven, FL) - 18 Holes, New in 1927, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

I don't have anything on Ross here.


Punta Gorda Country Club (Punta Gorda, FL) - 18 Holes, Remodel in 1927, NLE

Not included in the 1930RB.

I don't have anything on Ross here.


Augusta Country Club - Hill Course (Augusta, GA) - 18 Holes, Remodel in 1927, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

Jan. 29, 1927 New York Evening Post -



Feb. 1931 Golf Illustrated -




Bon-Air Vanderbilt (Augusta, GA) - 18 Holes, Remodel in 1927, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

2018 DRS Listing - Record deleted from the listing

Pretty sure this is the same as the Augusta CC Hill Course above.


Savannah Golf Club (Savannah, GA) - 18 Holes, Remodel in 1927, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

I don't have anything on Ross here.


Wilmington Island Club (o/k/a George Oglethorpe Inn Golf Course) (Savannah, GA) - 18 Holes, New in 1927, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

Aug. 26, 1945 Chattanooga Daily Times -




Fairview Golf Club (Fort Wayne, IN) - 9 Holes, New in 1927, Still in Existence

2018 DRS Update - Name changed to Donald Ross GC f/k/a Fairview GC

Not noted in the 1930 Ross Booklet.

I don't have anything on Ross here.


Greenock Country Club (Lee, MA) - 9 Holes, New in 1927, Still in Existence

2018 DRS Update - Changed to 9 Holes, Remodel in 1927

Not noted in the 1930 Ross Booklet.

Oct. 25, 1927 Berkshire Eagle -



June 19, 1928 Berkshire Eagle -




Oak Hill Country Club (Fitchburg, MA) - 9 Holes, Remodel in 1927, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 Holes.

Oak Hill has its roots in the Alpine GC which was one of the oldest courses in Massachusetts.  In 1917 plans were formulated to purchase new land and to have Donald Ross lay out a new 9 hole course.  Whether this work was delayed by the War or for other reasons, in 1919 Wayne Stiles took over the project.  Ross and Hatch were back in the picture a few years later adding 9 new holes (opening in 1927) and reworking the existing Stiles 9 (opening in 1929).  Some sources note Orren Smith reworking two holes in the late 1930's, but as the article below notes Ross was the genesis for those changes, although it is possible that Smith did the construction work.

Thanks to Tom Bagley for sending on a wealth of information on Oak Hill.

Oct. 3, 1917 Fitchburg Sentinel -



May 6, 1919 Fitchburg Sentinel -



1920 Stiles Plan -



Nov. 12, 1924 Fitchburg Sentinel -



Oct. 25, 1926 Fitchburg Sentinel -





Oct. 29, 1937 Fitchburg Sentinel -




Oyster Harbors Club (Osterville, MA) - 18 Holes, New in 1927, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 Holes.

Oct. 19, 1925 Evening Journal -



April 19, 1928 The Hyannis Patriot -



Nov. 1929 Golf Illustrated -



June 1930 Golf Illustrated -



1925 Olmsted/Ross Plan -




Wachusett Country Club (West Boylston, MA) - 18 Holes, New in 1927, Still in Existence

Not noted in the 1930 Ross Booklet.

I don't have anything on Ross here.


Highlands Golf Club (o/k/a Highlands CC) (Grand Rapids, MI) - 18 Holes, New in 1927, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

Ross was here much earlier than 1927.  See the 1916 Additions listing.


Warren Valley Country Club #1 (Dearborn Heights, MI) - 18 Holes, New in 1927, Still in Existence

2018 DRS Update - Date changed to 1922

Not included in the 1930RB.

I don't have anything on Ross here.


Warren Valley Country Club #2 (Dearborn Heights, MI) - 18 Holes, New in 1927, Still in Existence

2018 DRS Update - Date changed to 1922

Not included in the 1930RB.

I don't have anything on Ross here.


Northland Country Club (Duluth, MN) - 18 Holes, New in 1927, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

Ross' work started in 1922.

April 18, 1926 StarTribune -



1923 Ross Plan -




Asheville Municipal (f/k/a Buncombe County Golf Course) (Asheville, NC) - 18 Holes, New in 1927, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

April 29, 1925 Asheville Citizen-Times -







1928 Golfdom -






Hope Valley Country Club (Durham, NC) - 18 Holes, New in 1927, Still in Existence

2018 DRS Update - Date changed to 1926

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

Jan. 23, 1926 The Daily Tar Heel -



O. B. Keeler's Golf in North Carolina notes that Ross designed an 18 hole course.

Topo Map with golf holes noted -




James Barber Golf Course (Southern Pines, NC) - 18 Holes, Design in 1927

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 36 holes at Southern Pines.

1927 Ross/Johnson Plan -




Pine Needles Golf Club (Southern Pines, NC) - 18 Holes, New in 1927, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

[To be updated]

Map of Property -




Country Club of Salisbury (Salisbury, NC) - 9 Holes?, New in 1927, Still in Existence

2018 DRS Update - "?" deleted

Not included in the 1930RB.

I don't have anything on Ross here.


St. Davids Golf Club (Wayne, PA) - 18 Holes, New in 1927, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

I don't have anything on Ross here.


Point Judith Country Club (Narragansett, RI) - 9 Holes, Remodel in 1927, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

I don't have anything on Ross here.  There is a routing map, but I can't make out the date or Ross' name.

Course Plan -




Holston Hills Country Club (Knoxville, TN) - 18 Holes, New in 1927, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

Aug. 10, 1927 The Post-Crescent -



Holston Hills Booklet -























1926 Ross Plan -




Belmont Golf Course (o/k/a Hermitage CC) (Richmond, VA) - 18 Holes, Remodel in 1927, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes Remodeled.

Ross worked here in 1921.

May 7, 1922 The Times Dispatch -




Sewells Point Golf Club (Norfolk, VA) - 18 Holes, New in 1927, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

I don't have anything on Ross here.
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"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Rich Goodale

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #107 on: March 01, 2018, 04:22:15 AM »
Sven


Re "Fort George Island" you can still see the remains of Ross's 9-hole work on the attached Google map below:


https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/Amelia+River+Golf+Club,+Fernandina+Beach,+FL,+USA/Fort+George+Island+Cultural+State+Park,+12241+Fort+George+Rd,+Jacksonville,+FL+32226,+USA/@30.4290177,-81.4313224,948m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x88e4559b2d48f0e5:0xf38d4dc4c187d1ca!2m2!1d-81.4618553!2d30.6034347!1m5!1m1!1s0x88e44dfc22aa750f:0xb2a48f88f8335942!2m2!1d-81.4320184!2d30.4239989!3e0


The Ribault Club was a Jeykll Island level club which had a glamorous but short existence.  Today, the main club building belongs to the state of Florida and is available to visit.  So is the nearby Kingsley Plantation which gives you an excellent (if shocking) view of what it was like to be a slave in the 17th and 18th century.  I highly recommend the visit when you are in the Jacksonville area, as does TE Paul.  The golf pavilion and the 1st hole are pretty much intact, across the street from the Ribault Club.
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #108 on: March 01, 2018, 10:19:13 AM »
1927 (cont.)


Additions:


Norwich Municipal GC (Norwich, CT)

Not included in the 1930RB.

I don't have anything concrete linking this to Ross and the sources aren't contemporaneous, but its another that bears looking into.


Meadowbrook CC (Detroit, MI)

Not included in the 1930RB.

Ross made suggestions on the course while visiting in the summer of 1926.

March 18, 1927 Detroit Free Press -



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"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Sven Nilsen

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #109 on: March 01, 2018, 10:47:37 AM »
The last few years of Ross' work show an interesting pattern.  Starting with 1925, where he had a large concentration of work taking place in Florida, its almost like he decided to apply a heavy focus in certain areas each year.  In 1926 he was kept busy around Savannah and in North Carolina, while in 1927 the work is spread a little more evenly around the southeast.

The following little blurb of hyperbole appeared in the papers early in 1927.  I doubt this was entirely true, and in any case his numbers still hadn't risen to the levels of Bendelow and Findlay.  1927 would be the last big year for Ross.  In 1928 and 1929, his workload would decrease a bit, with the Depression taking its toll after that.  Ross would remain one of the busier architects during the 1930's, but the Golden Age was wrapping up, and the scope of golf course construction projects was changing. 

Jan. 11, 1927 Brooklyn Daily Eagle -



There are a couple of mystery projects that pop up around this time.  If anyone has any information on any of the following, please chime in.

Richford, VT

The Richford CC was organized in 1927, and is credited to Stanley Thompson.

Aug. 12, 1927 Richford Journal and Gazette -



Aug. 13, 1927 Burlington Free Press -




Betterton, MD

I can find no further information on this hotel project.

Aug. 27, 1927 Evening Journal -




North Gardner, MA

The only course I can find in the Gardner area is a municipal course built in the late 1930's.  Curious if anything ever became of this project.

Oct. 19, 1927 Fitchburg Sentinel -

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"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

BCowan

Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #110 on: March 01, 2018, 10:58:31 AM »

Sven,

Meadowbrook (Northville, MI),  The 18th green is a Ross green and untouched.  The 12th green is a Ross laser copied green and moved back during the recent Renovation.  It's my favorite green on the course. 


Sven Nilsen

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #111 on: March 01, 2018, 11:23:20 AM »

Sven,

Meadowbrook (Northville, MI),  The 18th green is a Ross green and untouched.  The 12th green is a Ross laser copied green and moved back during the recent Renovation.  It's my favorite green on the course.


Did the 12th used to be the 14th?  The article notes the 14th and 18th as Ross remodels, and it covers the changes to the 14th in great detail.  It also notes that the hole in question was a two shot drive and pitch, which fits the 14th to a tee.


Sven
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"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

BCowan

Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #112 on: March 01, 2018, 11:41:21 AM »

Sven,

Meadowbrook (Northville, MI),  The 18th green is a Ross green and untouched.  The 12th green is a Ross laser copied green and moved back during the recent Renovation.  It's my favorite green on the course.


Did the 12th used to be the 14th?  The article notes the 14th and 18th as Ross remodels, and it covers the changes to the 14th in great detail.  It also notes that the hole in question was a two shot drive and pitch, which fits the 14th to a tee.


Sven


Andy and others believe that Article you posted was a possible typo and not the 14th.


http://mccgcm.blogspot.com/2011/12/northville-historical-society-tribute.html   


''When the original six holes were laid out, plans to complete the nine also were made. The other three holes were ready about 1919. Harry Collis, a turf expert from Chicago, was brought over to direct completion of the 18 hole course. About 1933, Donald Ross, famed architect, remodeled the lengthy 12th hole and also rebuilt the 12th and 18th greens.''


Sven Nilsen

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #113 on: March 01, 2018, 11:55:35 AM »
I'll go with the contemporaneous report that describes the hole as a two shotter.


Your favorite green there is a Park, not a Ross.  Wouldn't be the first time a remodeling team had the wrong info.


Enough on this distraction.  If you want to continue the conversation on this one hole out of the thousands Ross built, do it in another thread.


Sven
"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #114 on: March 01, 2018, 12:39:08 PM »
1928


Keystone Heights Golf & Country Club (Keystone Heights, FL) - 9 Holes, New in 1928, Still in Existence

2018 DRS Update - Name changed to "Lakeside Links GC o/k/a Keystone Heights G&CC"

Not included in the 1930RB.

I don't have anything on Ross here.


East Lake Golf Club #2 (Atlanta, GA) - 18 Holes, New in 1928, NLE in 1966

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 36 holes.

Sept. 20, 1928 Atlanta Constitution -



March 25, 1930 Baltimore Sun -



1928 Ross Plan -




Walthour Golf Club (Savannah, GA) - 18 Holes, New in 1928, NLE

Not included in the 1930RB.

I don't have anything on Ross here.


Woodland Golf Club (Auburndale, MA) - 18 Holes, Remodel in 1928, Still in Existence

2018 DRS Update - Changed to 9 Holes, New in 1903, 18 Holes Remodel in 1928

Not included in the 1930RB.

The 1903 Ross work at Woodland was covered earlier in the thread.  I don't have anything on his 1928 work.


Country Club of Asheville (o/k/a Beaver Lake CC, f/k/a Lake View Park CC) (Asheville, NC) - 18 Holes, New in 1928, Still in Existence

2018 DRS Update - Changed to 18 Holes, Remodel in 1926

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

Work started here in 1926.

May 24, 1926 The Evening Independent -





Dec. 11, 1926 New York Sun -




Highlands Country Club (o/k/a Highlands Estates GC) (Highlands, NC) - 18 Holes, New in 1928, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

Aug. 8, 1927 Asheville Citizen-Times -



Aug. 19, 1934 Greenville News -



As a side note, a newspaper article from 1938 (see below under Mimosa Hills) erroneously notes 18 of the 27 holes at Highlands were designed by Bobby Jones.


Lenoir Golf Club (Lenoir, NC) - 9 Holes, New in 1928, Still in Existence

2018 DRS Update - Changed to 9 Holes, Remodel in 1945

Not included in the 1930RB.

From the plan below, 18 holes were designed (unless the plan is for a later addition).

Ross/McGovern Plan -




Mimosa Hills Golf Club (o/k/a Morganton GC) (Morganton, NC) - 18 Holes, New in 1928, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

May 24, 1931 Charlotte Observer -







May 31, 1934 Asheville Citizen-Times -



June 9, 1934 Asheville Citizen-Times -



Aug. 14, 1938 Asheville Citizen-Times -




Pinehurst Country Club #5 (Employee Course) (Pinehurst, NC) - 9 Holes, New in 1928, NLE in 1935

Not included in the 1930RB.

Dec. 1932 Golf Illustrated -






Lake Sunapee Country Club (New London, NH) - 18 Holes, New in 1928, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

June 1930 Golf Illustrated -



Sept. 11, 1930 Portsmouth Herald -



Aug. 1931 Golf Illustrated -



March 1932 Golfdom -






Plan of the Course -





Fox Hills Country Club (Staten Island, NY) - 18 Holes, Remodel in 1928, NLE

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes this as an 18 hole remodel.

The work here took place in 1923/24.


Nov. 6, 1923 Brooklyn Times Union -





May 7, 1924 New York Evening Post -






Sagamore Resort & Golf Club (Bolton Landing, NY) - 18 Holes, New in 1928, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

Aug. 9, 1926 The Post-Star -





Sept. 4, 1928 The Post-Star -



July 1932 Golf Illustrated -



June 21, 1936 Brooklyn Daily Eagle -




Manakiki Golf Course (o/k/a Willowick CC) (Willoughby, OH) - 18 Holes, New in 1928, Still in Existence

2018 DRS Update - Separate listing created for Willowick CC with 18 holes, New in 1911, NLE c. 1951

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

Oct. 21, 1927 Plain Dealer -



Feb. 12, 1928 Plain Dealer -



1928 Ross Plan -




Mill Creek Park Golf Club - North/Blue (Youngstown, OH) - 18 Holes, New in 1928, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

Willie Park laid out the first course here in 1922.  I have no information indicating if what Ross did was a remodel or an entirely new course.


Aronimink Golf Club (Newton Square, PA) - 18 Holes, New in 1928, 9 Holes, Design in 1928, 1 Hole, Remodel in 1930, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 27 holes.

[To be updated]


Cedarbrook Country Club (Cheltenham, PA) - 18 Holes, Remodel in 1928, NLE in 1962

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes Remodeled.

I don't have anything on Ross here.  The Givens site has a topo map with what appears to be Ross notes.

Topographical map -




Chester Valley Country Club (o/k/a Pennsylvania RR CC) (Malvern, PA) - 18 Holes, New in 1928, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

I don't have anything on Ross here. 


Country Club of York (York, PA) - 18 Holes, New in 1928, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

June 18, 1935 The Gazette and Daily -





1926 Ross Plan -

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"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

BCowan

Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #115 on: March 01, 2018, 10:58:15 PM »
I'll go with the contemporaneous report that describes the hole as a two shotter.


Your favorite green there is a Park, not a Ross.  Wouldn't be the first time a remodeling team had the wrong info.


Enough on this distraction.  If you want to continue the conversation on this one hole out of the thousands Ross built, do it in another thread.


Sven


Park only did 6 holes there, #2, #3, #7, #10, #11, and #18.  The info came from an old member who did the club history and it was stated in the Motor City Open programs 12 and 18 greens as being Ross.  I have many friends at Meadowbrook and Tony already found your newspaper clipping over a year ago.  I'll go with the club historian.  Also Art Hills renovated holes 14-16. 

''Wouldn't be the first time a remodeling team had the wrong info'' 

Lose the tude dude.  I'm sure you never miss read a putt.  These guys don't half ass their research.
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Bret Lawrence

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #116 on: March 02, 2018, 11:43:56 AM »
Here is an article on the Highlands golf course in Franklin, NC.  A seperate article (not included) mentions Rober T. Jones, father of Bobby Jones as part of the group of Atlanta businessmen who organized the club.  Later articles report Bobby Jones visited here on several occasions (once as a fund raiser for the local library).


Jackson County Journal-March 14, 1928:



Ira Fishman

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #117 on: March 02, 2018, 01:43:55 PM »
Sven,


If you happen to find any record of Maxwell doing work at Hope Valley, please share. I have seen assertions and there is a notation in the Ross Archives but not seen direct evidence.


Thanks,


Ira

BCrosby

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #118 on: March 02, 2018, 02:23:00 PM »
Sven -

The Highlands Golf Club in the clipping you post above is in Highlands, NC. That was the course Jones helped to organize, where he had a house and where he played golf in the summer. It is still a wonderful course that is well worth a trip to play. Several special holes. Ross' routing and hole-by-hole drawings hang on the wall in the clubhouse.

Ross and Jones at Highlands circa 1925 is part of the background to arguments you hear that it was surprising that Jones picked MacK for ANGC. Jones had a lot of contact with Ross in the mid-1920's, at Highlands and in Atlanta. Yet he didn't get the ANGC job. (I don't think the Jones/Mack/ANGC choice was at all surprising, otoh.)

I can't make sense of the "Franklin" reference in the clipping. Franklin, NC is not far away. Both towns are in Jackson County, NC, where presumably the newspaper was published, so the error is strange. 

[size=78%]A tip of the hat for all the work you have put into this. I try to pick up the thread with respect to courses I know. Very educational.[/size]


Bob


 
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #119 on: March 02, 2018, 02:52:11 PM »

Bob,I think that the first line  - "It was learned here today" - gives the impression that the author was writing from the office in Franklin using info that was provided to him.
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

BCrosby

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #120 on: March 02, 2018, 03:16:36 PM »
Jim - That would make sense. Awkward, however.


Bob

Bret Lawrence

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #121 on: March 02, 2018, 03:21:02 PM »
Bob:


That was my error, writing Franklin as I saw it written in the article.  Franklin, NC is actually in Macon county while the Highlands is mostly in Macon County but parts of the township do extend into Jackson county, NC.  There are a few newspapers covering the Franklin area on the North Carolina Digital Newspaper site.  One of the newspapers was titled The Franklin Press and the Highlands Maconian.  This newspaper printed many articles covering the Highlands golf course during the Bobby Jones era.  Here is a link to the digital NC newspaper site.  Lots of goodies in there:
http://www.digitalnc.org/collections/newspapers/


Bret

BCrosby

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #122 on: March 02, 2018, 03:50:14 PM »
Bret -


I stand corrected. Yes, Highlands is in Macon County. The lame excuse for my error is that, until recently I owned a home in next door Cashiers which, as you know, is in Jackson County.


The site for NC newspapers is impressive. Thanks for forwarding.


Bob

Sven Nilsen

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #123 on: March 02, 2018, 09:46:25 PM »
1929

Country Club of Birmingham - West (Birmingham, AL) - 18 Holes, New in 1929, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 36 holes.

See the June 7, 1932 Atlanta Constitution article posted in the 1927 Listing for the East Course.

1929 Ross Plan -




Mountain Brook Country Club (o/k/a Jemison) (Birmingham, AL) - 18 Holes, New in 1929, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

I don't have anything on Ross here.


Essex County Golf & Country Club (LaSalle, Ont., CAN) - 18 Holes, New in 1929, Still in Existence

2018 DRS Update - Date changed to 1926

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

Oct. 19, 1928 Calgary Herald -



July 14, 1929 Detroit Free Press -



Liverpool Golf & Country Club (Queens County, NS, CAN) - 9 Holes, New in 1929, Still in Existence

2018 DRS Update - Name changed to White Point Beach GC f/k/a Liverpool G&CC

Not included in the 1930RB.

Two more Canadian courses.


E. F. Hutton - Miniature Course (Palm Beach, FL) - 9 Holes, New in 1929, Still in Existence

2018 DRS Update - Changed to NLE

Not included in the 1930RB.

June 8, 1929 Palm Beach Post -




Seminole Golf Club (North Palm Beach, FL) - 18 Holes, New in 1929, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

March 31, 1929 Palm Beach Post -



April 7, 1929 Palm Beach Post -



1929 Ross Plan -



Aerial Photo -



1947 Image -



17th Hole Plan -



17th Hole Green Plan -



Dec. 1931 Golfdom -




Carolina Golf Club (Charlotte, NC) - 18 Holes, New in 1929, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

Jan. 15, 1933 Pampa Daily News -



Ross Plan -




Forsyth Country Club - Course #2 (Winston-Salem, NC) - 18 Holes, Design in 1929

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

1929 Ross Plan -




Sedgefield Country Club #1 (Red) (Greensboro, NC) - 18 Holes, Design in 1929

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 36 holes.

The 36 Hole Ross Plan for the two Sedgefield courses is posted in the 1926 Listing above.


Mount Crotched Country Club (o/k/a Tory Pines) (Francestown, NH) - 9 Holes, New in 1929, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930 Ross Booklet.

I don't have anything on Ross here.


Mountain Ridge Country Club (West Caldwell, NJ) - 18 Holes, New in 1929, Still in Existence

The 1930 Ross Booklet notes 18 holes.

1929 Ross Plan -



1931 The Putting Green, O. M. Scott & Sons -




Chappaqua Golf Club (Mount Kisco, NY) - 18 Holes, New in 1929, NLE?

Not included in the 1930RB.

I don't have anything on Ross here.


Maketewah Country Club (Hamilton County Golf Club) (Cincinnati, OH) - 18 Holes, Remodel in 1929, Still in Existence

Not included in the 1930RB.

The work at Maketewah took place starting in 1919, although it was reported that Hatch (as "Walter Hunt") was on site in 1929 recommending changes.

Nov. 2, 1919 Cincinnati Enquirer -



May 28, 1921 Cincinnati Enquirer -



1919 Plan -



Nov. 7, 1929 Cincinnati Enquirer -




Addition:


Penrose Park CC (Reidsville, NC)

Not included in the 1930RB.

Aug. 20, 1929 The Bee -

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"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Sven Nilsen

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Re: Reunderstanding Ross
« Reply #124 on: March 02, 2018, 10:20:58 PM »
Before moving into the 1930's, where production definitely falls back a notch, I wanted to add in a few odds and ends.

First, a report regarding the Highland G&CC in Indianapolis noting that Ross had turned down a request to construct Willie Park's layout.  This is the only instance I am aware of where Ross would have worked on another architect's design.

May 22, 1920 Indianapolis Star -




Second, I added Genundawah into the 1920 Additions based on the following article.  Genundawah was a precursor to Monroe CC, so it makes sense that Ross was brought in when the later course was built.

March 25, 1920 Democrat and Chronicle -




Third, in Oct. of 1927 work was started on the Westridge CC in Rochester, NY.  An Oct. 2 article in the local paper noted the course had been designed by Donald Ross, with a correction issued a few days later noting the architect was actually a former associate of Ross.  The first name that popped to mind was Orrin Smith, but I'm sure there are other suspects.

Oct. 2, 1927 Democrat and Chronicle -



Oct. 10, 1927 Democrat and Chronicle -

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