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I would suggest betting games should also not be tied to par but what you score.
Quote from: mike_malone on December 05, 2017, 10:44:58 AM I would suggest betting games should also not be tied to par but what you score.Of course betting is based on what you score. Birdies and the rare eagle are fun bonuses. They create risk opportunities that do not always exit in straight match or medal play.In the game we play birdies are often worth five times what a par would be. It gets in your head. My God, who wants to lag for a win all day? Funny thing about our Sunday game, the guys who lag at life are at church.This weekend I played with a couple of guys in their mid 70's who both explained to me how they love playing the short tees because they can have birdie opportunities again. Brings back a touch of their youth.
Giving a hole a number for par is meaningless. RG's 7th and 8th hole are both par 4's for some and five's for others, if par means how many strokes it takes to play the hole well and add two putts. And it doesn't make any difference what par you call a hole for betting purposes. RG's 7th hole will be the same handicap number whether it is a par 4 or par 5; it's the same hole. Augusta for Dustin Johnson is a par 68; for Jordon Spieth probably it's a par 70. What difference does it make? The one who shoots the lowest score will win. It's an utterly meaningless number. Does that mean we should take it off the scorecard? Who cares?
p.s. I guess par matters for Stableford scoring, so leave it on the scorecard or eliminate that game.
Quote from: Jim_Coleman on December 05, 2017, 10:46:08 PMp.s. I guess par matters for Stableford scoring, so leave it on the scorecard or eliminate that game.In strokeplay and matchplay the par of any hole is meaningless. It could easily be done away with and no-one would notice.In Stableford and Bogey scoring however, it is intrinsic. Stableford is an extremely popular format among handicap golfers, as it is seen as more forgiving of the occasional "blow-up" hole.If par was abolished we would need to invent a modified form of strokeplay to replace Stableford.Maybe something along the lines of only your best 15 holes out of 18 actually counting, with a commensurate handicap adjustment ?
Jeff,A course like that sounds suited to going par free.