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Might want to check the photo you are using for the 4th hole in the modern group.
The opener on the Modern course is Sand Hills #1. I like a gentle handshake as an opener, but not a lay down. A solid par-5 fits that bill for me and the dogleg left at SH is just right. The first also serves a preview of what is to come throughout Sand Hills, with an angled tee shot, the blowout bunkers, an approach with elevation change, and an outstanding green set in the saddle of the hill.This is a great #1.Our Runners-up - Boston Golf Club, Apache Stronghold, Streamsong Blue, Old Macdonald
I'm not sure there's a better 1st hole among the moderns, but now you've used your Sand Hills hole and you can't use another.My memories are a bit fuzzy, but Old Sandwich has a nice par 5 1st hole.Mentally paging through the choices, the 1st hole at the great moderns I've seen tends not to be among the best holes on the course. I think the choice for the 1st hole is a tough one.
There can be an extreme penalty for coming up short on your 3rd shot at Sand Hills #1. I have seen an approach shot come up just short, that rolled back leaving a 90-100 yard shot to the center of the green.Anybody else have an opinion here?
Your choice of Sebonack #2 is, IMO, horrendous. It is indeed an ascetically beautiful hole, and undeniably a "strong," if not brutal hole. The problem lies not with the tee shot, although the angular fairway bunker complex narrowing the preferred left side angle (from tee) further increases the degree of difficulty as it pushed the drive toward the middle and right side. Any of these latter positions narrows the ability of all but sub-scratch golfers to find enough realistic distance and height to safely land a ball onto too small and shallow a green that also throws in a hard-sloped back-to-front and wicked false-front, all surrounded by nasty little bunkers and wire grass...all combining to create one of golf's better S&M par fours. This is hardly excused as just another par 4.5 either. When the green speeds are up (usually) and the wind is up (down, or cross, usually) it renders this hole stupidly difficult iMO and instantly recognizable for the dichotomy inherent to the design tension between it's two architects. Mind you, I don't dislike tough, or strong, per se, but do dislike borderline (or over) unfair and immediate. On the classic side, so many great venues give you testing, but fair par 4's (i.e Oakmont, PVGC, Merion, WFW & WFE, Riviera, LACC N, etc....). The modern side has plenty better than this one as well, i.e...Pac Dunes, Desert Forest, Spyglass, Rock Creek, Boston GC, Old Sandwich, Hidden Creek and Rustic Canyon. Sorry to differ so vociferously, but you asked for it!
Hoping to see ... at least one nomination from one of the North Dakota courses.
Rock Creek has a sensational 2nd hole.Pacific Dunes has a rather famous 2nd hole, but I'm holding out for one of the bigger stars on that course.Ballyneal's 2nd hole happens to be one of my favorites on the course, but you're probably saving a spot for one of the funkier designs.Another one of Tom's great 2nd holes is found at Dismal River - Red. Another long par 4 with a partially blind tee shot over a dune, followed by a long uphill approach to a perched green surrounded by a sea of short grass. Really good.
Quote from: Sven Nilsen on January 02, 2017, 01:00:19 PMHoping to see ... at least one nomination from one of the North Dakota courses. Maybe you should be so bold as to nominate one yourself. FWIW, I played the North Dakota Golf Trail a few years back and there aren't any candidates that jump to mind ... the one little par-3 at the top of Bully Pulpit is more severe than the holes being argued about above, and it's the one that renders the course impossible to walk, for bonus points.