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Quote from: Mike_Trenham on January 06, 2017, 06:57:49 PMCurious of the Great 18's put forward here, would you say they generally play uphill or downhill overall?Off the top of my head, I think more of our Moderns play uphill.Why do you ask?t
Curious of the Great 18's put forward here, would you say they generally play uphill or downhill overall?
While I really liked Greywalls [see The Confidential Guide], there's no way on earth I would have thought to nominate #6 as one of its best holes. It's dramatic, but forbidding and hit-or-miss; and when you miss, the variety on offer for recovery shots is heavily curtailed by the rocky terrain and the woods. It's a very good solution for getting from A to B over difficult ground, as is the par-4 before it, but that's a lot different than picking it as one of the best par-3's in America.If your cut-off is really 1960, then the 6th at Crooked Stick and the 6th at The Golf Club, two of Mr. Dye's best holes, are clear omissions. Also, the best hole at Harvester in Iowa is the par-5 6th.
With regard to the 6th at Greywalls, I can't speak to it specifically, as I have not played it. But I can say that I do like a dose of adventure golf. Not 18 holes of it, but a dose. If you recall an old thread that I started on Sand Hollow and Wolf Creek, I said that I enjoyed the Wolf Creek experience, but I loved Sand Hollow. If splitting 10 rounds, it would be 10-0 in favor of Sand Hollow for me. One of the primary reasons for that is that Sand Hollow gives a few doses of adventure golf, while most of the course is strategic. Without the majority of the course being high quality strategic, the adventure would be overload for me. Without the dose of adventure, it wouldn't be among my favorites. That is the essential reasoning behind my going with Jon's pick with this hole. I like being asked to hit a do-or-die shot once or twice during a round, and I find that ask to be relatively reasonable from 155 yards (which is the yardage from the middle tee on this hole). I especially like being asked to hit that shot in a setting where the "die" result includes the possibility of my ball doing something more interesting than splashing in a man-made pond. Do I want that demand made of me 18 times in a row? No. The choice of this hole however, satisfies my desire for that pulse-quickening wow.Thanks all, for continuing to share your perspectives. You are adding courses to my to-do list and turning my gears, which is the whole point.
BTW, the first time I played one of these 18 was in 1969 (PB--18), I got to 17 of 18 with Scioto #2, and completed these 18 with Quail Creek's 17th hole on November 6, 2016.
Quote from: Paul Rudovsky on January 08, 2017, 12:51:58 AMBTW, the first time I played one of these 18 was in 1969 (PB--18), I got to 17 of 18 with Scioto #2, and completed these 18 with Quail Creek's 17th hole on November 6, 2016. What did you shoot for the 18, and how did that compare with your handicap?
Quote from: Paul Rudovsky on January 08, 2017, 12:51:58 AMBTW, the first time I played one of these 18 was in 1969 (PB--18), I got to 17 of 18 with Scioto #2, and completed these 18 with Quail Creek's 17th hole on November 6, 2016. Paul:I hope you realized when you got to Quail Creek that they have reversed the nines!I was pretty underwhelmed with that hole, and tried to find out a bit of backstory about how it got selected. And one version I heard was that the hole Jenkins liked was the present 17th, but when he was ready to go to press they had reversed the nines, and he was kind of stuck with today's 8th because he had to use a 17th hole.Of those 18 holes on Jenkins' list, there are only eleven that I would even put as potential candidates today. The stretch from 2-5 is particularly uninspiring.
Regarding Quail (and agree, this hole did not strike me as an inspired choice) was not aware of the switch of the nines, but there is no question today's 17th was the hole in the book/article. #17 today is a 454 par 4 with a creek across the fairway about 70-90 yards from the green. #8 today is a 510 yard par 5 with a creek in the right and left rough (may have crossed the fairway in 1965) that is easily 245-255 from the green.
While I know this all subjective...I woulda included #7 at Ballyneal and went with a different #8. BN 7 is such a unique hole...
8th Hole:Streamsong Red. Absolutely one of the best par 5s I've played. I love the inverted bunker and how it influences play.