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Please be careful with that whole breath-holding thing, Sven. I read on the interwebs that it can result in dain bramage. None of us have played any of those courses you mentioned, although I believe JCavs has plans to hit some of them in 2017.
Do you have a time in mind that separates classic from modern?
Try not to be discouraged by the peanut gallery chiming in. This is fun.
P.S. The third at Black Forest? Are you sure you've got the right hole, there? Of all the holes I have ever built, that's in my top three of greens I would like to do over. [And no, I'm not going to name the other two, but at the rate you are going you may nominate them all ... ]
Curious of the Great 18's put forward here, would you say they generally play uphill or downhill overall?
The 5th on our Modern Great 18 is Boston Golf Club #5, a par-4.This hole is polarizing, and Jon and I are firmly in the camp of those who love it. The blind, uphill drive can be played out wide left or in tight to the nasty bunkers right. The safe left route leaves a testy approach that can be played high, low, or even putted, but the raised green is extremely shallow from that angle. From the right, the green is plenty deep, but the approach must be made over the bunker mound, which can partially obscure the view. The hole is extreme and unique, and a thrill to play. As a side note, Ran and Tom discussed the hole with Jay Flemma on his recent radio show (worth a listen if you haven't checked it out). Ran expressed his dislike for the hole because the green is so small and elevated that it is nearly impossible to drive. Therefore, from Ran's perspective, the hole does not provide a reasonable enough reward to attempt to drive the green. Tom's perspective was that short does not necessarily equate to drivable vis a vis par-4s, and I agree with him wholeheartedly. It is a strange byproduct of the modern game that we have conflated short par-4s with drivable par-4s. The reality for the average golfer is that one is a smallish subset of the other. I have not spoken to anyone involved directly with the creation of the 5th at BGC, but I would be shocked if they gave much thought to the probability of a hole that is 300+ yards uphill ever being driven by the club's membership and typical guests. To me, this is a hole that was clearly intended to be played with two shots.That is a broader debate for another thread, but suffice it to say for us, Boston Golf Club #5 is great.Our runners-up – Old Sandwich, Streamsong Blue, Bandon Dunes, Sweetens Cove