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JohnYou are talking to the wrong guy concerning the shaping of the pre-Colt generation. I like so called Victorian features. I like bold, in your face, obviously man made stuff erupting from the ground with no connection to the natural terrain...partly because its so rare. But the question one should ask is why were those features deemed necessary? Where Colt etc had a huge edge was in routing courses to take advantage of natural features and figuring out where best to build courses based on terrain and soil and turf. They also figured out that high greens drained much better and were therefore firmer and therefore easier to effect strategy of design. The green side shaping and bunkering was at times lovely, but secondary to how the land was used. Just as with the top echelon of designers today, Colt etc used what God gave them very well, so the touch of man far less necessary. But even the Colt generation got carried away at times and went crazy with bunkers rather than sticking to focusing on terrain. I guess the temptation to add to God's work was just too much at times....I wonder if that was because routings may not have been considered that important 100 years ago? Were aesthetics even then a primary consideration for the average Joe Blow? I believe that what makes the top new(ish) guys special is that they look for a routing which maximizes the natural features. This makes it a load easier to shape stuff to look far more natural. In effect, standardization is removed by this lot. But like Colt and the boys, sometimes these guys cannot resist temptation....Get a guy who knows how to route a course, isn't afraid to really push the boat with shaping and uses the natural features well and you will get a unique course...thats Kington.Ciao
So, it may very well be that the design community, in combination with outside forces, will simply design for the then current needs (or if you are cynical, fashions) and in so doing, the collective mindset will simply be that 1990-2020 era designs may have been great "for their time" this is now, and then was then.It just seems to happen that way.
If you look at Pete Dye, he unabashedly admits he looked for an alternate style to RTJ as a means to being known.
So, because of your fame, and because maybe greens are as fast as they can get, you have a decent chance of more of your greens surviving more or less untouched, but I am sure some will change.
Quote from: Jeff_Brauer on October 05, 2016, 02:58:55 PMSo, because of your fame, and because maybe greens are as fast as they can get, you have a decent chance of more of your greens surviving more or less untouched, but I am sure some will change.Apparently you don't know about the clever clause in my contracts ... if clients change any of my greens without my permission, their heirs are contractually placed under a curse for three generations