[jonathan_becker]

Here's the 13th hole at Sleepy Hollow in New York.  Where else has this been done with two fairway bunkers creating a 90* angle?  It looks pretty cool.

Photo credit - Dr Joe Bausch

[jonathan_becker]

In this instance, getting the ball as close to the intersection point off the tee gives the cleanest look on the approach.  It makes sense on this hole.

Good placement or not though, I'm having a tough time thinking of any other course that has this feature.

[Adam Clayman]

Jonathan, Pebble Beach has several examples of this. Granted, they aren't in the same angular style. Softer, more Elbow esque. Lawsonia, is another course that does have the angular style and quite a few perpendicular cross carries.

[jonathan_becker]

Thanks for the post, Adam.  Pebble came to mind as did NGLA in spots, but it was the actual 90* angle of the two bunkers intersecting that caught me off guard with the Sleepy Hollow hole.  That's what I'm looking for!

[Matt Frey, PGA]

Here is an example at the Country Club of Fairfield:

[jonathan_becker]

That might not be exactly 90* but it's close enough, Matt.      Thanks for the aerial

[Lester George]

The Old White at the Greenbrier has many examples of this.  The Contentment Golf Club we will build in NC will also be rich with this philosophy.

Lester

[Bill_McBride]

The Old White at the Greenbrier has many examples of this.  The Contentment Golf Club we will build in NC will also be rich with this philosophy.

Lester

Pretty cool that you have to demonstrate both accuracy AND distance control for position A.  Usually it's one or the other. 

[Mark Bourgeois]

Jonathan,

I am wracking my brain to recall the specifics, but I think I have seen this on a fair number of old aerials of MacRayBanks courses.

It's a very distinctive feature and therefore one I recall -- but only vaguely. 

So Lester, what's the philosophy?

[jonathan_becker]

Lester,

Thanks for the post.  Old White has many perpendicular fw bunkers to the lines of play but I'm looking for that and the added fw bunker parallel with the length of the hole that creates the 90* angle. 

Mark B,

Here's a shot of the same hole from 2007.  It appears that Hanse/Bahto restored the 90* angle in the summer of 2007.  I haven't looked at historical aerials of SHCC but you might be correct in that you've seen this before.  It's just how many of these type of 90* intersecting fw bunkers are still out there in their original form or have been restored in recent times?  Not many at all based on google earth images of the CBM courses I've looked at this week.  I've been looking because I'm going on a short CBM binge in the near future.  The Sleepy Hollow 13th hole definitely caught my interest.

[Mark McKeever]

First hole at Plainfield is a great Ross example.

MM

[Carl Nichols]

I think 9 or 18 at Shoreacres has something like this.

[Dan Kelly]

Not sure how many of you are following Pat Craig's thread on Town & Country Club (St. Paul, Minnesota), but take a look at all of the bunker shapes and arrangements (including perpendicular) in this early aerial photo:

[Scott McWethy]

I recall Kittansett having a few great holes with perpendicular fairway bunkers.  They really threw me off my game the first time I played there as I had a hard time gauging the yardages to carry.  I don't have pictures of the course but I'm sure you can find some aerial photos somewhere.

[Steve Salmen]

Muirfield in Scotland has several.  In fact, there is one bunker on the 8th hole that is roughly L shaped, 90 degrees so it lies both parallel and perpendicular to the fairway.

I have often wondered in CBM was influenced by the bunkering and some of the greens that fall off sharply like #12 at Muirfield.  For some reason, I am reminded of Muirfield bunkers when I see his courses. 

Someone please correct me if I am wrong because I have no evidence to support this claim.

[Mark Bourgeois]

Jonathan,

Checked my files last night and found a number of holes with the "L" bunkering configuration but seen from the tee they were all either "L" or reversed "L". (Such an "L" can be found on the 5th and 12th holes of the original NGLA.) Couldn't find any perfect, upside down "L"s like Sleepy Hollow's. The closest I came was the 10th at Oakland, an NLE Raynor:



Actually, go through this routing -- there are a number of very interesting "L"-ish configurations, but they tend to be of the type I mentioned earlier, for example 4 and 6.

But I will keep looking...

[Peter Pallotta]

Two quick asides: 1) - someone should hire Joe Bausch to take photos for their yardage books/hole profiles/web sites. In the original post, Joe's photo is so much more appealing -- and somehow much more 'informative' --  than the computer-generated one above it, even with all the extra details the latter provides.  2) With each passing year, my earlier prejudices against that look/style of design fade more and more away; that is one heck of an attractive course, and those perpendicular bunkers make a lot of sense.

Peter

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