[Patrick_Mucci]

a President, Green Chairman or Superintendent disfiguring a hole ?

# 2 green at Yale comes quickly to mind, but, what are some other examples ?
Please include the dates where possible, even if the disfiguration is about to take place 

[Tom_Doak]

Pat:

My all time favorite was a par-3 at Hirono.  When I visited twenty years ago, the president of the club had decided the green was too big, so he instructed the superintedent to cut the sod off 1/4 of the green ... and just leave it bare sand without digging out a bunker or anything!

At least he made it easy for them to repair later. 

[Patrick_Mucci]

Tom,

You couldn't make up stuff like that.

[abmack]

Pat,

Here is an example of what the president, greens committee, and superintended to to the 17th hole at Palm Beach CC (Ross 1917).

[Ally Mcintosh]

a President, Green Chairman or Superintendent disfiguring a hole ?

# 2 green at Yale comes quickly to mind, but, what are some other examples ?
Please include the dates where possible, even if the disfiguration is about to take place 

Pat,

What happened to No.2 at Yale? I seem to remember you telling me the green was lowered at the back - is that right?

Excellent hole as is all the same...

[Patrick_Mucci]

Ally,

Evidently, the green had significant internal contouring that the superintendent removed at his sole discretion and without prior approval.

[Mark Bourgeois]

Ally,

The green was banked higher on the right. The intention I believe was to allow golfers to use it to work approach shots over to hole locations on the left, thereby avoiding a direct challenge to the bunkers over there.

What about the 18th green at Pine Valley? Was that changed after the fact?

[Mark McKeever]

12 and 15 at Merion.   

[Patrick_Mucci]

Ally,

The green was banked higher on the right. The intention I believe was to allow golfers to use it to work approach shots over to hole locations on the left, thereby avoiding a direct challenge to the bunkers over there.

What about the 18th green at Pine Valley? Was that changed after the fact?

Yes, circa 1926-8

[Patrick_Mucci]

12 and 15 at Merion.   

Mark,

Those greens were not changed by the President, Green Chairman or Superintendent, acting on their own.

Considerable debate preceeded the changes, ditto Winged Foot West.

I was referencing a more unilateral and arbitrary change rather than a change vis a vis consensus.

[PCCraig]

Too many examples to name... 

[JR Potts]

#17 at Medinah #3....a few times.

Every green at Medinah #3 prior to the last renovation - (1996-2010).

[Bill Brightly]

I'm thinking that this thread and your "white sand" thread were both prompted by the same course...

[JMEvensky]

I'm thinking that this thread and your "white sand" thread were both prompted by the same course...

Subtlety isn't Mucci's strong suit.

[Thomas Dai]

No particular examples but I'd generally suggest that the 80-20 rule has a strong tendency to apply in reverse and thus negatively when ii comes to golf
atb

[Adam Clayman]

Committees, and supers, don't only disfigure with a blade. Arbitrary presentation decisions, disfigure the whole course, not just one hole.

Pat, Have they removed the rough on the leeward side of those jutting bunkers at Mtn. Ridge?

 

[Patrick_Mucci]

I'm thinking that this thread and your "white sand" thread were both prompted by the same course...

Subtlety isn't Mucci's strong suit.

JME,

Only because you're unable to detect it.

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