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I really liked the Renaissance (2008 version)... A great course in great company...
Quote from: Ally Mcintosh on July 04, 2014, 03:31:54 AMI really liked the Renaissance (2008 version)... A great course in great company...So which do you think is better?
AllyI haven't paid much attention to what has changed at Reniassance, but I gather the back nine is radically different. That said, the 12th may have been extended, but the green struck me as new? I am sure someone can run thru the changes.Ciao
12th hole - par 4 - 462/399/355The 12th climbs a steady slope to a skyline green, with a centreline bunker visable from the tee that sits 140 yards out from the green and is 300/237/193 from the tee. Again, a good example of why choosing the right tees at TRC is crucial to appreciating the course.Over the hill are bunkers either side of the fairway that stretch from 94-52 yards short of the green on the left and 74-64 yards short on the right. Played into a strong wind, these bunkers are likely to be a factor on your second shot.One of the things that stood out at TRC was that the bunkering seemed remarkably relevant regardless of the wind I imagined as I stood on the tee, without there simply being sand all over the place to allow for any eventuality. Perhaps that is a benefit it has as a modern layout: the bunkering and tees were designed from scratch for the technology of the current day.The second shot is probably one of the most memorable on the course. Not much room for error, but the green is 40 yards long, so it's easier to hit than it seems, but obviously that length could lead to some very long putts!The undulation on much of TRC is as good as I have seen on any links, as the pics of this hole thankfully managed to capture.The drive:In the fairway about 170 yards out:Short right of the green:
The current 12th starts from the old 12th fairway and runs to the old 13th green, combining the two holes into one. We took out one bunker short and left of the 13th green, but otherwise it's the same green, played from a different angle (about 30 or 40 degrees more to the right now).The old 12th was one of my favorite holes on the course, but only a few people would consider saving it more important than adding the new 9th and 10th and 11th. Also, the old 12th came in tandem with the old par-3 13th which was one of the weakest holes on the old course, and the old 14th (now 13th) was improved by shifting the tees further left.
Yes, the greens are the high point of the design, but I also like how the course flows except for the tame ending from 16, though I like 18 a lot. Something just doesn't sit right for me with #s 16 & 17, but I honestly can't say they aren't good holes. For sure, I can't point to any less than good hole on the course.Ciao
Quote from: Sean_A on July 04, 2014, 02:58:50 AMYes, the greens are the high point of the design, but I also like how the course flows except for the tame ending from 16, though I like 18 a lot. Something just doesn't sit right for me with #s 16 & 17, but I honestly can't say they aren't good holes. For sure, I can't point to any less than good hole on the course.Ciao Sean, funny enough I had the same feeling at the start of the course. Even though 1 and 2 are fine (and quite difficult) holes, I would rather skip them and start playing on a slightly shorter hole 3, a more classic easy par 5 start. Then just find 2 new par 3's to weave in the remaining 16 holes (between 7-8 and 13-14), and make holes 10 and 15 driveable par 4's and you have my perfect course.....
Sean always added value to post to the group. When is Muirfield scheduled? Also we are already in Spring!