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Mike_Young

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The best "tempting" hole???
« on: June 05, 2013, 10:26:04 PM »
IMHO temptation is one of the ultimate test humans have to confront.  And for that reason it is one of the subtle tools an architect has in laying out a strategy for a golf course.  Difficulty does not equate to temptation nearly as much as the disguise of "lack of difficulty". 
Name me some of the best known "tempting " holes you know.  I'll start by saying IMHO 13 at ANGC is my top pick.  Hit me with one. ;)
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Greg Chambers

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2013, 10:34:05 PM »
10 at Riviera
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Eric Smith

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2013, 10:38:33 PM »
9 at Kinloch!

Ron Csigo

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2013, 10:57:57 PM »
#6 at Deal
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David_Tepper

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2013, 11:08:29 PM »
From geoffshackelford.com re: Augusta National:

Jackie Burke put it best when he said, "It’s the most tempting golf course in the world."

Bill_McBride

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2013, 11:22:09 PM »
#6 at Deal

.....is just a stupido play to go right at it!   The resulting lies are brutal at best. 

Bill_McBride

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2013, 11:23:53 PM »
Trying to drive #12 at Rustic is a fool's errand.   With #3 not far behind.   Great R/R holes there, including #7 in the past, pre-flood. 

Stan Dodd

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2013, 01:15:56 AM »
#3 at Cruden Bay.  You know with a good shot an eagle 2 is very possible but with a less than good shot 7 is possible.

Thomas Dai

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2013, 04:02:52 AM »
An unusual choice, but how about the wonderful/evil/awkward par-3 2nd at Dornoch.

Lay-up short and straight, pitch-n-putt, easy-ish par in 3. Go for the narrow green or worse the pin itself, land on any of the steep banks and a big bounce later your ball's in one of the deep hollows or worse in the gorse. Not many up-n-downs from there.......and a bigger number goes on the scorecard.

Nice thread.

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D_Malley

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2013, 06:34:04 AM »
#1 @ Cherry Hills must have been very tempting to Arnold Palmer in 1960.

he tried to drive the green in all four rounds, finding the water the first three times.

Dominic Meese

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2013, 07:14:26 AM »
Only played it once but ill say 4th at woodlands. Safe play for me was probably 4 iron, chip on, however I couldn't resist driver and had a 7.

I will be tempted to use driver on the tee just about every time on this hole!

Bill_McBride

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2013, 07:34:56 AM »
6th at Deal is a great call. I'm trying to think of a better short par 4 and am struggling. Far more fun than the 10th at Riviera as far as I'm concerned. It is very tempting, in fact I try driving it virtually every time!

How has that worked out for you?

Number of successes (birdie or eagle  ;D) vs number of disasters......

Keith OHalloran

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2013, 07:42:30 AM »
Brian Silva helped turn 5 at Southampton into a great tempting hole. It measures 285 off the tee, par 4. There is a bunker about 30 yards short of the green that has a huge face on it. The bunker starts at about 235 off the tee, and sits exactly where most long hitting amateurs will land their ball ie. 235 to 250. If you carry it, you are on the green, if you don't the hole is almost over with a 30 yard uphill bunker shot ahead of you with a large face.
A shot of 5 iron and wedge is a lot more practical, but less tempting.

Greg Taylor

Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2013, 07:43:43 AM »
18th at the Old Course...?!

That said, and I'm no slouch myself, but I'm amazed that TW drove that green a few years ago. And Jack Nicklaus sans jumper too.

It is not what you would ordinarily call a drivable par 4 but all the same fits the eye perfectly on the tee for giving it a whack.


David Whitmer

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2013, 07:49:51 AM »
#17 at Double Eagle. I've had a short eagle putt, and I've also made a double bogey.

#3 at Castle Stuart. Hole-high left, while better than hole-high right, is not exactly easy. Just getting it on the green from down there is difficult.

#6 at Pacific Dunes. My tee shot had the distance, but went in the left green-side bunker. Made a one-putt five.

Mark McKeever

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2013, 09:11:36 AM »
5 at Boston Golf Club.

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Brian Finn

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2013, 10:21:06 AM »
6th at Deal is a great call. I'm trying to think of a better short par 4 and am struggling. Far more fun than the 10th at Riviera as far as I'm concerned. It is very tempting, in fact I try driving it virtually every time!

How has that worked out for you?

Number of successes (birdie or eagle  ;D) vs number of disasters......

I have not yet played Deal, so can't comment specifically on that hole.  However, I think this highlights what makes for a truly great "tempting" golf hole.  Very often we know that the percentages are not on our side, but there is such visual appeal that clicks something in (some of) our brains, telling us we simply must have a go at it.  I think the really brilliant tempting holes are those that cause many to attempt the low percentage shot in hopes of an eagle/birdie, and often end up in bogey+ ... and yet, next time around, we don't necessarily "learn our lesson" and we go for it again!
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Jeff_Brauer

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2013, 10:34:30 AM »
Perhaps not the most tempting hole in the world, but the 17th at Gleneagles (at least in its 1980's configuration, it may have changed) stood out for me.

It was my first ASGCA meeting, first trip to Scotland, and first meeting of the legendary Percy Clifford, many times champion in Mexico.  He called it the most tempting hole in Scotland, even though it was a pretty straightforward medium length dogleg with the bunkers on the inside of the DL, and outside of the green.  But, to have that run up opening (absolutely required in those days) you had to be right next to the bunker.

It was nice to get that kind of insight from a true golf champion.
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Jason Topp

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2013, 10:37:35 AM »
7 at Sand Hills.  After four rounds, the correct play was still unclear to me.

Tom Ferrell

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2013, 10:45:25 AM »
Scary to me when Young and I think too much alike, but as soon as I saw the thread title, I thought...13 at Augusta.

I am a big fan of #16 at Colorado Golf Club.  Split fairway, but unlike man "pick your poison" holes, there is a direct temptation to go to the alternate right side fairway, which is a straight down the line of charm, 30 yards shorter option.  If you succeed in placing the drive on the right side, you are tempted to take a long to mid-iron right to the target.  Play safe, and you open up all kinds of difficulties.  Get greedy, and you're in the creek to the right, staring bogey or double in the eye.  Hit a good shot, you're looking at an eagle putt.  Now that's golf, to me.

Sean_A

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2013, 10:50:17 AM »
One nobody thinks of because people don't play the course.  Stoneham's 13th.  Visually, there is zero enticement because the tee shot is blind.  Once folks see 273 yards on the card their necks crane for a look.  Just a great hole.

http://www.stonehamgolfclub.org.uk/course/holes/hole_13

If its the visual sort of temptation one wants there is none better than Kington's 18th.

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Lester George

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2013, 11:08:23 AM »
Holes that always tempt me

4 and 15 at Kinloch

6 at Ballyhack

14 at Country Club of Florida

15 at Seminole

4 at Providence

12 and 16 at Old White

1 at Secession

Mark Buzminski

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2013, 11:09:52 AM »
Cypress Point #16

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2013, 11:26:58 AM »
Disguising the "lack of difficulty" is so much more interesting that a golf course that plays easier than it looks.

The Old Course and Wolf Point are the best examples I've seen.

The 16th at Cypress Point is one of the best and coolest holes in the world, it doesn't hide the danger like the 15th at Wolf Point - although the danger is only a fraction of Cypress'.

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Bill_McBride

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Re: The best "tempting" hole???
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2013, 11:28:22 AM »
Disguising the "lack of difficulty" is so much more interesting that a golf course that plays easier than it looks.

The Old Course and Wolf Point are the best examples I've seen.

The 16th at Cypress Point is one of the best and coolest holes in the world, it doesn't hide the danger like the 15th at Wolf Point - although the danger is only a fraction of Cypress'.



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