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V. Kmetz

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Part II - Siwanoy Country Club
« on: April 20, 2011, 12:20:39 PM »
The Experience of Siwanoy's Design: Routing and Distance

This Grill Room placemat makes an accurate depiction of the multiple directions the holes travel across the layout.  Note the artist’s voluminous depiction of trees, which unfortunately was also accurate for more than 50 seasons

With no routing changes, bestial lengthening or basic green complex alteration over its nearly 100 years of existence, the Siwanoy Country Club course stands as something of a marvel for how it has retained challenge and interest while the game of golf has experienced sea changes around it.  Beyond its puny back tee distance and absence of principal alterations, this retention of strategic merit is made more noteworthy by the fact that the course is not, and never has been, larded with white stakes, water hazards, fairway bunkers or other such gimmicks.

Siwanoy is laid out on a fan-shaped parcel of gently rolling dales and the old racetrack flats measuring just under 100 acres. In his collected gospel of course design, Golf Has Never Failed Me, Ross documents this fan shape as ideal for layout, owing to its ability to configure holes that follow different directions and wind conditions.  Given that Siwanoy follows this template to the letter, it should be no great surprise to know that Ross specifically advised for this parcel’s purchase in preference to a competitor a few miles away in Mount Vernon.

Though eight holes of the course are played up, over and back across a central hill in the middle of the property, the course is not a rigorous hike in the least.  Unlike many Westchester County courses carved in and out of near-alpine locales, it is a pleasant walk where tee boxes are generally within 10-15 yards of the previous green and fairway flats abound.  The author’s experience of Siwanoy is that of a course where foursomes rarely take four hours to complete a round and smaller groups can get around in three or less.

When the ground game was king and carry distances were 30-50% shorter, a Siwanoy player needed more power to tackle what was then a comparatively long course. Playing width was generous and erratic drives were not disproportionately punished beyond capricious lies in the rough and ambivalent angles to the target.  If you were off-line, recovery was possible but compelled exact play to keep par.
 
As the game changed to an aerial aesthetic, concurrent with longer ball flight and the first popular era of the steel shaft, the 2000 trees (!!!) the club purchased from a foundering local nursery in the early 1930s began to grow - removing latitude from (what were now becoming) shorter holes. It still dictated those same locations from where Donald Ross conceived the 2 and 3-shot holes are best approached, but it did so with a more penal hand to punish error.
 
We now exist in the mega-distance, long ball, specialty wedge, hybrid club era that would mostly be alien to Ross, but a reborn Siwanoy remains humorously obstinate to those advances despite the recent (and judicious) removal of 90% of those plantings and other overgrowth, and still playing less than 6490 from its absolute tips.  The challenge offered to the longer straighter tool box with which the modern golfer is now equipped is that going too far can be as much of a burden to a sound approach shot as is loss of distance. 

This strategic problem reveals itself to players of every stripe when they realize that though they can drive within 120 yards of a green in regulation on 11 of the 14 non-par 3s, this shorter distance often does not represent the optimum position from which to play. 
When you drive too far at Siwanoy you are confronted with blind shots from uphill stances, nettlesome partial wedges from downhill lies, poor angles from balls above your feet and sometimes elements of all three problems.  Of course this is in addition to rough that is kept lush and gnarly, producing plenty of "bird's nest-" type of lies that act like emerald Brillo - even on short irons and wedges.
 
The course now resists "speeding," as it were, unless you really enjoy 87 yard semi-blind wedge shots off uneven slope. Part of Siwanoy’s charm is that these types of short shots seem to suggest birdie but more often than not, induce a double-bogey.  These features of mutability across the modern evolutions of golf could be accurately ascribed to the brilliance of the Ross routing on this miniscule piece of property (96 acres). But the true father of Siwanoy's virtue is the greens, which Ross cunningly crafted to be both dramatic and understated at the same time

In Part III, I hope to cover Siwanoy's greens in more specific detail, but to summate Part II I offer this comparison of three B/W photos:  These photos look at the 4th hole from the right rough.  The first is from conduct of the first PGA in 1916, the second is from a similar, but fairway angle in 1993 when the 1932 plantings dominated the property, the third is from 2008 (still more trees have been removed in the interim 30 months to this writing.  I ask the reader to judge for him or herself whether the Kay renovation and the club's aggressive tree removal program have restored a visual sense of the Ross layout from what it had become:




Lastly, and thanks to Joe Bausch hosting magic for all, here is the monument to the first PGA. Like Siwanoy itself, this simple understated plaque - now on the 18th tee (it used to stand by the hazard bridge within 100 yards of the green) - reminds all of the history of the game in America:


Part III - the greens... later tonight or tomorrow. We'll start the Course Tour in Part IV later this week.

cheers

vk



"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

V. Kmetz

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Re: Part II - Siwanoy Country Club
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2011, 03:55:31 PM »
One other pic I couldn't get to work before...Snobirds Member Guest: Saturday December 31st, 1994: (Elliot bringing clubs to Clyde R.)


"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

Ben Voelker

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Re: Part II - Siwanoy Country Club
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2011, 04:19:45 PM »
VK,

Thanks for posting this, it is fascinating reading.  The first and third photos are remarkably similar and its hard to believe the second photo is of the same fairway.

This may have been in the previous post and I missed it, but how much did the tree removal program rely on historic photos of the course?  The tree left of the fairway short of the green is striking in all three photos and seems well placed not to be removed.

Ben

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Re: Part II - Siwanoy Country Club
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2011, 04:48:47 PM »
Ben,

Thanks for your read and the opportunity it gives me to divulge. 

I don't know how much "weight" was given to historic photos such as the 1st PGA  and the Westchester County aerials of 1925, but it was always known that the club bought 2000 (!!) trees from a Tuckahoe nursery going under in the early 30s. 

So, there was something of an element to the notion "these trees shouldn't be here" as they really started to strangle turf and interfere with play lines and recovery. I surmise the answer comes from a little both of both notions. During the meat of the Kay renovations (1997-99) there was only about 66% of what would be the final culling executed. 

The other 33% has occurred in pieces since the millennium, until about 90% of the 1932-1996 trees were gone.  Since the last photo, Nov 2008, there has been even more.  I do not know if this was part of any one person or body's Master Plan, but I think it was as much in initial positive reviews of the effect, that it continued.  (****WF's disease-response start to its own massive tree program and its positive reviews had to be inspirational to keep going)

It is SO good and startling and happily, like the few photos we have of the 1916 course, that it takes the breath away.

the effect is greater on those who knew the course before, but even a first time visito is going to be thrilled driving up "The Clubway" along the entire windy length of #18.  It's golf for as far as the eye can see.  I hope Malcolm gets a chance to play or see it, given his previous remarks.

cheers

vk
"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

Charlie Visconsi

Re: Part II - Siwanoy Country Club
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2011, 07:31:45 PM »
Victor -  The whole Siwanoy threads are great posts; thanks very much for the info and future info.

V. Kmetz

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Re: Part II - Siwanoy Country Club
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2011, 03:51:48 PM »
Just a little follow-up on the tree removal with some pictures - remember MORE has been taken away:

The first is of the current (Nov 2008) view from behind the 1st green



The second is a combined top-bottom picture of the older "behind #1 view" and the tee shot on the pre-tree program 10th



The third is of the current 10th tee shot (Nov 2008)



cheers

vk
"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

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Re: Part II - Siwanoy Country Club
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2011, 07:39:29 PM »
Perhaps the best shot of all from Nov 2008 - this panorama not only gives a feel for the charm of the Ross design, but the interconnectivity of the course, now fully revealed after a massive (and judicious) tree removal program:

You the viewer are standing in the center of the 8th fairway looking WSW, up the entirety of the 300 yard 9th, the beginning of the cross valley 10th and in the top left center, you can make out the Sahara style bunker that guards the entrance to the signature 13th hole. 



***Siwanoy Fun fact:  At casual play, if events occasion, golfers will often tee off on #9 BEFORE finishing play at the 8th (the green of which is partially out of view to the right side).  This saves time and energy, doubling back up the 80 yards to the 9th tee.  they go right to their tee shots after holing out on #8.***


cheers

vk
"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

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Re: Part II - Siwanoy Country Club
« Reply #7 on: April 22, 2011, 07:45:29 PM »
just collecting the threads together

cheers

vk
"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

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Re: Part II - Siwanoy Country Club
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2011, 10:47:08 PM »
just getting the post together as we make the turn

cheers

vk
"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

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Re: Part II - Siwanoy Country Club
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2013, 07:57:31 PM »
The front nine Tour and is buried right now on Pg 150 of the thread list, juts putting them back up top to blend more seemelssly with the back nine info I'm posting tonight.

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vk
"The tee shot must first be hit straight and long between a vast bunker on the left which whispers 'slice' in the player's ear, and a wilderness on the right which induces a hurried hook." -

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