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Rick Lane

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1100 on: November 13, 2017, 05:55:10 PM »
Rick,


Thanks for posting the 1912 layout of Brooklawn.  I have never seen that before.  It appears that holes 3-10 are very similar to today's routing.  I remember several years ago Jim Kennedy posted a picture of what is today's ninth green (prior to Tillinghasts work) and it looked much like the same setting as today.  I like to see how the old courses have evolved over time.  It's very helpful when the old layout is superimposed on the old.  Thanks for sharing these.


Bret


Yes, routing is nearly identical 3-10  Tilly  built the new greens generally in front of or behind the greens that were there.  We have some aerials that show this.  3 was shortened by appx 40 yards, as was 4. 5 was lengthened as was 6.  7, it appears he built the new green over the old one. 8 he moved the tee forward of the river and moved the green back about 40 yards.  9 and ten, it seems he laid on top of the old greens.  I used that 1912 map, and a 1934 aerial and paced a lot of it off.

Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1101 on: November 18, 2017, 05:59:26 PM »
Shaker Heights CC - 1932

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1102 on: November 18, 2017, 06:00:08 PM »
Canterbury GC - 1932

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1103 on: November 18, 2017, 06:22:00 PM »
Greenfield Park, Milwaukee, WI - 1931

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BCrosby

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1104 on: November 19, 2017, 08:32:22 AM »
I love this thread.

Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1105 on: November 29, 2017, 09:32:55 AM »
Acacia CC

Chicago Tribune - Feb. 3, 1924

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Peter Pallotta

Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1106 on: November 29, 2017, 09:46:17 AM »
Thanks, Sven.
That's cool to look at.
I don't know anything about the course, but the first thing that came to mind was Fenway Park (the baseball stadium).
That is: a design that is made to fit the (small) site.
Holes like 3, 4, 5, 9, 10, 14 - you don't see those so much except when architects have to use every inch of space.
Who designed it?
Was it thought of highly in its day?
Peter

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1107 on: November 29, 2017, 11:08:45 AM »
Langford & Moreau (says it on the image).


The search function will give you a bit of info on Acacia.


That 13th hole looks alot like the layout of the great 4th at Barbougle.
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Chris_Blakely

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1108 on: November 29, 2017, 11:55:46 AM »
Langford & Moreau (says it on the image).


The search function will give you a bit of info on Acacia.


That 13th hole looks alot like the layout of the great 4th at Barbougle.


Acacia is one of the courses featured in Dan Wexler's Lost Links or Missing Links books.  I'm at work, so can't look up at home.


Chris


Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1109 on: December 08, 2017, 06:50:45 PM »
Milwaukee CC - Original Jim Foulis Course

The Inter Ocean - Feb. 26, 1899

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1110 on: December 13, 2017, 10:08:04 AM »
Cragin Park, Palm Beach, FL


Credited as a Banks design.  Was this course ever built?  The Blue Heron Hotel project that the course was associated with stalled shortly after construction began.


Palm Beach Post, Dec. 20, 1925



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Bret Lawrence

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1111 on: December 13, 2017, 09:34:22 PM »
Sven,


Nice find!  Looking at the date of the article, wouldn't this course be a Seth Raynor design?


It's also interesting that the course included nineteen holes.  The nineteenth hole is to the east of Dixie Highway between holes 1 & 9 and 10 & 18.




Bret

Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1112 on: December 13, 2017, 10:01:46 PM »
Brett:


That was my thought as well.  A March 12, 1926 Evening Post article mentions that Banks was to lay out the course, but it also notes that Banks was to lay out a number of other courses that we know Raynor designed.  Here's one instance where lay out may have meant implementing preconceived plans.


Sven


"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1113 on: December 14, 2017, 12:17:29 AM »
The Architect's (George O'Neill / Jack Croake)  "Bird's-Eye" perspective drawing of the new Pasadena CC to be laid out over the old Altadena CC Pasadena Evening Post - 4/3/1920.


Click to embiggen.

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Tim_Cronin

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1114 on: December 14, 2017, 06:02:22 AM »
Jim, the paper misspelled the name of Jack Croke.
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1115 on: December 14, 2017, 09:15:50 AM »
Jim, the paper misspelled the name of Jack Croke.
OOPS!  :-[  He must have enjoyed Pasadena, he was playing out of PCC in this photo from 1922. Read that he succeeded James Foulis as the Pro at Calumet CC in 1912.



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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1116 on: December 14, 2017, 10:38:37 AM »
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1117 on: December 18, 2017, 02:47:12 PM »

A 1914 map of Royal St George's which also illustrates all the shots played in the 36 hole final
of that year's Amateur Golf Championship (Spoiler Alert: J.L.C. Jenkins won ;)  ).

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Tim_Cronin

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1118 on: December 18, 2017, 11:20:31 PM »
Jim, the paper misspelled the name of Jack Croke.
OOPS!  :-[  He must have enjoyed Pasadena, he was playing out of PCC in this photo from 1922. Read that he succeeded James Foulis as the Pro at Calumet CC in 1912.




Nice find. He later had a good run at Olympia Fields as well.
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BCrosby

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1119 on: December 19, 2017, 07:49:28 AM »
Sven -


The Foulis drawing for Milwaukee CC (1899) posted above might be the most thoroughly Victorian design I've ever seen. Relentless cross hazards. Wow.


Have I mentioned that I love this thread?


Bob 

Greg Hohman

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1120 on: January 06, 2018, 02:45:54 PM »
I want to share two routings but have hard copies which I can’t post in a presentable way. (Not tech savvy.) One is too small, the other is too large. I would be happy to snail mail them to somebody.

1) Land- und Golf-Club Düsseldorf (Bernhard v. Limburger, 1962)

2) Mission Valley Country Club (Lawrence Hughes, 1947) 
 
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Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1121 on: January 08, 2018, 11:32:51 AM »
I apologize if these have been posted before.

Whitinsville 1923 Ross Plan -

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1122 on: January 08, 2018, 11:35:15 AM »
Forsyth No. 2 1929 Ross Plan -

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Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1123 on: January 08, 2018, 11:36:35 AM »
Northland 1923 Ross Plan -

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"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

Sven Nilsen

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Re: A Compilation of Routing Maps, Plans and Architectural Drawings
« Reply #1124 on: January 08, 2018, 11:37:56 AM »
Barton Hills 1922 Ross Plan -

"As much as we have learned about the history of golf architecture in the last ten plus years, I'm convinced we have only scratched the surface."  A GCA Poster

"There's the golf hole; play it any way you please." Donald Ross

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